Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

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homwardbound

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PLEASE stop with the 2000 year Pentecostal GAP.
go back and read it again.

Peter said Pentecost WAS - the fulfillment of Joel.

the prophets very often used singles passages to encompass all of redemptive history - in both Joel and Peter, like Mttw 24, Rev....they give a snapshot of the WHOLE PROMISE.

sometimes that includes up to THE (ONLY ONE) FINAL LAST DAY....sometimes it doesn't.

please, please study 'these last days'; "in those days" etc.

the GIFTS ceased...then according to you RESTARTED.

or, you have TWO identical Pentecosts.

you figure it out.

not reposting it all.

k. thx
You are justset in your ways Zone and that is all folks, you go for God. Is God at rest andput you in the know for everyone else to follow? What Coconut wrote is being independence on God and God alone post # 265. I am now afraid for you and onlyGod himself can and is able to get you to stand in him for I do believe God hasreceived you, And know that God will do what God came to do with all the onesthat truly believe in God and that is put us all in one mind through his typeof Love. You and I know there are those that play Church worshipping with theirlips hearts far from Christ, yet their are those that do his will accordinglyand do not need man's judgment about gifts as you continue to claim is 100%false when it is not 100% percent and Zone God will do the separating the Chafffrom the wheat and God is the one that knows who are his and who are not
So anyonehere playing Church please repent and see the living God and be honest about itthis includes me as well
Thank youvery much looking for us all to grow in the grace that has been provided in andthrough the cross of Christ
 

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I have no documentation. Yet I can give you many examples based on my testimony.

1) I was healed in a sudden manner of a high fever and body aches.

2) I prayed with a girl who had attempted suicide and the scar on her wrist vanished.

3) I prayed for a Registered Nurse who had the bones in her feet crushed as a child and they never healed properly. As a nurse and often on her feet she went thru daily pain and had to be choosie on footwear We prayed and she said she felt her feet get real hot. She took off her shoes and all of her toes were straight and her feet looked normal.

I testify as a Christian brother that these things took place and not one false word or false claim has been inserted into any of the above. No doctor was ever around when they happened. There are no xrays, no photographs or anything else. Yet I fully contend and claim that is exactly what happened. You may mock it if you wish, but you will be mocking the very work of God. God did the healing. I claim no title or special gift.
I have seen and been part of miracles too and know as well thanks for the testimony
 

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You are justset in your ways Zone and that is all folks, you go for God. Is God at rest andput you in the know for everyone else to follow? What Coconut wrote is being independence on God and God alone post # 265. I am now afraid for you and onlyGod himself can and is able to get you to stand in him for I do believe God hasreceived you, And know that God will do what God came to do with all the onesthat truly believe in God and that is put us all in one mind through his typeof Love. You and I know there are those that play Church worshipping with theirlips hearts far from Christ, yet their are those that do his will accordinglyand do not need man's judgment about gifts as you continue to claim is 100%false when it is not 100% percent and Zone God will do the separating the Chafffrom the wheat and God is the one that knows who are his and who are not
So anyonehere playing Church please repent and see the living God and be honest about itthis includes me as well
Thank youvery much looking for us all to grow in the grace that has been provided in andthrough the cross of Christ
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Re: Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

the subject is what "triggered" the ceasing of the gifts (the specific ones mentioned in Scripture).

the subject is NOT God healing or answering prayer or personal testimonies.

if ppl don't know the subject, why are they debating cessationism?

it's really simple....if those mirculous gifts and that miraculous activity CONTINUED, let me see the evidence throughout Chruch history.

it isn't there.....why?

because that time of miracles was PURPOSED for that time.

every time God did something NEW and BIG He accompanied it with Miracles - exodus and Law (Moses); prophets (Elijah); JESUS, the Holy Spirit poured out and Apostles.

the miracles were intended to SHOW something about what He was saying and DOING in His eternal plan.

so, if the miraculous period of Christ on earth, and Pentecost and the foundation of the Church CONTINUED, it should be EASY to show.

that's what i asked. please:

may i see an Apostle raising someone from the dead.
may i see an Apostle pronoucing a curse on a husband and wife team and they both drop dead.
may i see an Apostle call down a blinding mist on someone.
may i see a group of disciples from the remote and untouched Island of UmbaGumba visit NY and suddenly start proclaiming the Gospel in the languages of all the people from around the world visiting there?

that kind of thing.

why do i take heat for asking that?:)

if it's happening, i'm FOR IT.

if it isn't, somebody is in big trouble, and it isn't me.
 
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zone

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anyways.....for anyone who wants to understand the issue (cessationism), here's a simple start.
check it with scripture (not your experiences).:)


The Ultimate Cessationism Resource

Books | Audio | Articles | Other Sites

Today, many Christians are confused when it comes to the subject of spiritual gifts. What has the church historically believed? Must Christians speak in tongues? Have all Christians been filled with the Holy Spirit? This site intends to serve as a resource for Christians seeking to understand what the Bible says about spiritual gifts.

Below, in the The Ultimate Cessationism Resource, you'll find links to books, audio, and articles that affirm a Cessationist position concerning spiritual gifts and interact with the various other views being taught today.

Please note that not all of the links below will agree 100% with each other, as with any theological view there are always nuances; nor does their listing here imply that the creator of this resource endorses them. However, for those seriously desiring to investigate the issue, especially the validity of the Cessationist view, I pray these resources will be extremely helpful.

Cessationism - Cessationist - Spiritual Gifts - The Ultimate Cessationism Resource < click
 
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Actually itis all in the power of the cross, Christ's death which reconciled all tomankind the burial which is proof of the death for three days before theresurrection that brought in a new Covenant, a new Law, and a new Priesthood. Andthis was completed by the resurrection where all believers are to reside in isthe resurrection of Christ thus being born again here and now by the renewingof our carnal minds to Spiritual minds.
It is notjust the name it is the power involved by the cross at the resurrection wherethe devil lost and the keys were taken and the dead Spirits in prison werepreached to and released those that believe, (made alive in the Spirit ofChrist) as he took captivity captive WOW!!!!! It is powerful you all, by beliefnot just the name, no but the power that is in the full Gospel the resurrectionat the cross over two thousand years ago
There aremany that are playing Church and imitating Christ to the best of their abilityand are miserable behind closed doors
So thequestion is what did Jesus Christ do for any of us that believe in him is it?
The one any ofus are trying to imitate?
Or the onethat not only desires to live in us, but more importantly through us?
our choice
Amen Brother. All of HIM and none of us.

What good is "churchianity" without the power of God? (2Timothy 3:5)
 

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Not one "school of thought" is mentioned by the Lord in His gospel to all mankind, aside from the Good News, Itself, which is our Lord. Introducing such things is confusing and possibly even damaging for many believers. It is good to adhere to the Words of the Lord for His yoke is easy, His burden is Light. For these reasons He asks us, invites us, to learn directly from Him. Any departure from His teaching muddles just about any points or issues purported.
 
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thx ricky.
Jesus is alive, the scriptures are God-breathed
the Holy Spirit is God, active and working.

what does any of that have to do with pentecostalism?
Don't forget that 1 Corinthians 12,13 and Rom 11,12 are also inspired. It's just our understanding of these things that seems to not be very inspired, even though we claim to have the Spirit. Don't let Pentecostalism and some of their practices pervert the scriptures and the balance we are to have as born again Christians. Don't forget to love them because of the finished work of God's grace, you may not like what they teach and practice but many of them have been cleansed from sin and have been put in Christ and that is how we are to know them and not after these other things. If God called you to serve with a group of Pentecostals, who happened to be the only believers around, would you not break bread with them and thank God with them for the blood of Christ?
 

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home.

Re: Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

the subject is what "triggered" the ceasing of the gifts (the specific ones mentioned in Scripture).

the subject is NOT God healing or answering prayer or personal testimonies.

if ppl don't know the subject, why are they debating cessationism?

it's really simple....if those mirculous gifts and that miraculous activity CONTINUED, let me see the evidence throughout Chruch history.

it isn't there.....why?

because that time of miracles was PURPOSED for that time.

every time God did something NEW and BIG He accompanied it with Miracles - exodus and Law (Moses); prophets (Elijah); JESUS, the Holy Spirit poured out and Apostles.

the miracles were intended to SHOW something about what He was saying and DOING in His eternal plan.

so, if the miraculous period of Christ on earth, and Pentecost and the foundation of the Church CONTINUED, it should be EASY to show.

that's what i asked. please:

may i see an Apostle raising someone from the dead.
may i see an Apostle pronoucing a curse on a husband and wife team and they both drop dead.
may i see an Apostle call down a blinding mist on someone.
may i see a group of disciples from the remote and untouched Island of UmbaGumba visit NY and suddenly start proclaiming the Gospel in the languages of all the people from around the world visiting there?

that kind of thing.

why do i take heat for asking that?:)

if it's happening, i'm FOR IT.

if it isn't, somebody is in big trouble, and it isn't me.
St Patrick cursed Ireland from snakes a certain place not of all and how but there are no snakes there because of their unbelief
I am sure Zone there are others and things of the sort, and as far as the gifts ceasing as it talks in cor about is for each person moving onto to perfection as the writer of hebrews talked about that would be Hebrews 5:11-6:6 on moving on to the Love of God that goes on forever, which is maturity, perfection in Christ
People are weak ( I am included) and some need shows and some need to move onto leaving the basic principles of babtism, speaking in tongues,laying on of hands and so on. Hebrews 6:1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Hebrews 6:2instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

The below is to the weak that need milk, but trying to lead to solid food which Zone I know you have, but not all have it, even though it is needed
Hebrews 5:12

In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

each person in and of themselves needs to see this for themselves between them and God
Hebrews 5:13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.

the ones still in the Church promoting this is good for them and I know there is a need to grow up unto maturity and I have seen a few posts that show this maturity yet have not moved on past what you are warning about, and this should ne okay.
Which is be careful of our own wants and desires and be fooled into the devils traps, for I kknow the devil comes as an angel of light to fool the very elect if that were possible, because I also know God will never leave nor forsake nor allow anyone of his to be snatched out of his hand period. It is free choice that stops evil everytime, and whether anyone can proove or not proove what you are wanting to see really is not relevant. People say they do have these gifts and who am I to deny them or you, and we are only to be wise as a serpent yet harmless as a dove and a dove represent God in LOVE.
Love you Zone deeply you have much given you in discernment and I apprerciate it, but not everyone is there were you are at in understanding what you are trying to get across and I see all in love actually just not always taken that way and that is what human flesh does and traps the believer into it as well through discussions as these can.
So all I can say is people look behind the curtain let each of us put each of us in each others shoes and become one mind in Love seeking truth and see truth from God not this world and its set up so good looking ways in order to decieve people through thrills, by feelings is how this world does do its dirty work masquerading as being Good when only God the Father is good
 

homwardbound

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anyways.....for anyone who wants to understand the issue (cessationism), here's a simple start.
check it with scripture (not your experiences).:)


The Ultimate Cessationism Resource

Books | Audio | Articles | Other Sites

Today, many Christians are confused when it comes to the subject of spiritual gifts. What has the church historically believed? Must Christians speak in tongues? Have all Christians been filled with the Holy Spirit? This site intends to serve as a resource for Christians seeking to understand what the Bible says about spiritual gifts.

Below, in the The Ultimate Cessationism Resource, you'll find links to books, audio, and articles that affirm a Cessationist position concerning spiritual gifts and interact with the various other views being taught today.

Please note that not all of the links below will agree 100% with each other, as with any theological view there are always nuances; nor does their listing here imply that the creator of this resource endorses them. However, for those seriously desiring to investigate the issue, especially the validity of the Cessationist view, I pray these resources will be extremely helpful.

Cessationism - Cessationist - Spiritual Gifts - The Ultimate Cessationism Resource < click
Thank You Zone
 

homwardbound

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Amen Brother. All of HIM and none of us.

What good is "churchianity" without the power of God? (2Timothy 3:5)
Be a fake tree and when one tales a bite they get a mouthful of wax, then they know truth and God always reveals himself to those that are seeking God, So God can use any Church any division any that are not sincere to bring home the sheep becausae Christ is being preached. As Christ said let them go on for a divided kingdom can not stand. This was the disciples who were still worldly complaining about those over there doing casting out demons in Christ's name and they were not accepted by us the disciples of you Jesus, Wow!!!! Jesus stop them. Kind of like is and has gone on here in a many discussions, but everyone learns, abd we all are becoming one in the Spirit of God and accepting one another jusy as God has past tense already accepted each one of us that beleive
 
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I see you are one who often compliments this poster Zone, who can be very convincing ...
Correct. Zone and I pretty much agree on most or all things relating to God's Word. This stems from the fact that we both read and understand the scriptures given us in both their intended context and purpose. No "tongue-speakers" today will agree with us. And neither will we agree that there are "tongue-speakers" today .... because there isn't. The attached link/study on the matter sums up my view quite well and frankly Coconut, I'm tired of putting forth scriptures on the matter (in many threads previous) to those not truly interested in God's intended purpose and context of His divinely inspired Word anyways. In short, people believe what they want to believe. On this matter, only one side of the discussion can be God's truth. I am more than content with my position. I hope you take the time to read the following link. Tongues is discussed half-way down the scroll.

Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION
 

zone

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cool resource Fes. haven't seen it before.
addresses the misuse of the word miracle also.
very good.
ty
 

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On this matter, only one side of the discussion can be God's truth.
amen Fester.

that reality alone ought to have folks at least considering their practices or the practices and beliefs of their teachers.

this isn't a little thing.

if the signs and wonders movement is wrong - how wrong is it?

from your source:

THE DURATION OF MIRACLES

These observations bring us to a third extremely critical realization: once God revealed the entirety of the information that He wished to make available to mankind (later contained in what we call the New Testament), the need for miraculous confirmation of the oral Word came to an end. Now, people can sit down with a New Testament, the written Word of God, and, with honest and diligent study, conclude that it is God’s Word. Many preachers and teachers today have failed to acknowledge this crucial biblical factor. They fail to face the fact that we have absolutely no need for the miraculous. Since the purpose of miracles has been achieved, the miracles, themselves, have ceased. I repeat: the Bible teaches that miracles are no longer necessary. We have everything we need to function in this life, to be pleasing to God, and to survive spiritually (2 Peter 1:3). Spiritual maturity is now within the grasp of every single individual who chooses to access the means to maturity—the written Word of God. To insist that we have need for the miraculous today is to undermine, and to cast aspersions upon, the all-sufficiency of God’s Word (cf. 1 Corinthians 1:22; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION < click


coincidentally, i was pondering early this morning having been told recently in direct reference to 2 Timothy 3 that MY words are God-breathed....that clearly puts MY words on par with Scripture, thereby making me as authoritative (and inerrant?) as anything the Spirit recorded in Holy Writ.

i presume the Red Letters as well?

*shiver*

i know remarks like that are intended to be encouraging/edifying...but they're not thought through very much, seems to me.

the very idea has given us the N.A.R. and such.
now what?
ppl who think we have prophets and apostles today have no way of knowing what is true and what isn't.

the implications overall are hair-raising.
and don't we see it happening?
oh my.




i've got the power!
 
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the very idea has given us the N.A.R. and such.
now what?
ppl who think we have prophets and apostles today have no way of knowing what is true and what isn't.

the implications overall are hair-raising.
and don't we see it happening?
oh my.
Exactly. One "held truth" in regards to this doctrine leads to another ... to another ... to another ... and on and on it goes. It is hardly surprising that we have many today claiming to be apostles and prophets. Mind-boggling really. Time and time again you have clearly laid out and shown the truth of this matter in scripture and yet, you remain Zone the antagonist to many here. Like you, I'm still waiting (not really) to hear of any missing limbs restored, any raised from the dead, any healed by simply crossing in the shadows of one of todays apostles etc. etc. ..... you know .... just like what happened with the real apostles of old ... i.e. ... Matthew 19:27-28 ... Peter answered Him, .. "We have left everything to follow you. What then will there be for us ?" Jesus said to them, .. "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

If this is about US, there's gonna be a ton of apostles sittin' on each others laps. Just one of several verses whose context is completely ignored or shunned ..... willingly. What more needs be said ? :confused: Praise God for His Written Word and the grace to understand it.
 

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Anyone who reads the Word and believes the Word knows there are only twelve, 12, apostles of Yeshua, Jesus, and their names are the foundation of the city of God, New Jerusalem.

As for prophets who are chosen to write down the words of the Most High, there are to be no more, since the fulfillment of the prophecies of our Lord were fulfilled in His Person.

Some may debate whether or not Paul fits here along with the Epistles. Personally, I find Paul's letters just fine as long as what is put forth is in agreement with the Word previous, if not we have Source Authority in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, and in the Old Testament.

As for knowing or being able to know about the miracles today, those who have experienced them know and need not the debating of higher intelligentsia to argue them otherwise. It is really moot to do so. I have experienced several miracles, and I have been used many times.

No amount of intellectual unity to the contrary could ever convince me there are no longer gifts and miracles for those who avail themselves to the service of the Most High. No, there are no apostles, except perhaps those who fit the meaning of the word literally, that being sent out.

No amount of human knowledge can refute faith nor the knowledge of these powers of God Almighty still extant and always availed to His servants at His will. Keep debating, but God is absolute and no amount of being in agreement with one another can possibly change what is Unchangeable.
 
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"The most detailed treatment of the phenomena of miracles in the New Testament, including tongue-speaking, healing, and prophecy, is 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14. These three chapters were written to Christians at Corinth because miracles were being abused and misused. Chapter 12 defines the miracles. Chapter 13 indicates their duration. Chapter 14 explains their disposition. In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul argued that the body (the church) should function harmoniously by using miraculous gifts properly. In 1 Corinthians 13, Paul argued that love is a more excellent attribute than miraculous gifts.

After all, miraculous gifts (i.e., prophecy, tongue-speaking, supernatural knowledge, etc.) were going to fail, cease, vanish, and be done away (13:8). These miraculous gifts are identified in the text with the expression “in part” (13:9-10). The “in part,” or miraculous, would cease and be done away when the “perfect” had come. But to what does the “perfect” refer?

The Greek word translated “perfect” is teleios. The term does not refer to “perfect” in the sense typically understood by the average modern English reader, i.e., to be sinless. Following this faulty notion, some have concluded that the “perfect” refers to Jesus—since He has been the only perfect person.

Other interpretations apply “perfect” to heaven (the only perfect place that will be free of sin and imperfection), or Christian maturity and perfect love (the perfect condition or quality). But, in context, Paul was not contrasting qualities or places. He was contrasting quantities, i.e., those things that were incomplete and partial (miraculous gifts) with that which would be total and complete (the fully revealed Word of God).

The inaccuracy of these interpretations is seen further in the Greek definition of teleios. The word refers to totality, that which is whole, brought to its end, finished, and lacking nothing necessary to completeness (Delling, 1972, 8:73; Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 816; Thayer, 1901, p. 618). When referring to persons, teleios refers to being full-grown, adult, and mature (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 817; Thayer, 1977, p. 618).

Used in its neuter form, Paul was referring to a thing—not a person—something that, when completed or finished, would replace the incomplete or partial, i.e., the miraculous gifts—which clearly had only temporary significance. Commenting on the abolition of the miraculous gifts of prophecy and supernatural knowledge (mentioned in vss. 8 and 9), W.R. Nicoll observed that “these charisms are partial in scope, and therefore temporary: the fragmentary gives place to the complete” (1900, 2:900, emp. added). Kenneth Wuest agreed: “In I Corinthians 13:10, the word means ‘complete,’ and is contrasted to that which is incomplete” (1943a, pp. 117-118).

Whereas James used the term teleios to refer to the all-sufficiency of God’s Word in its ability to achieve everything it was intended to do (James 1:25), the exegete is forced to conclude that Paul’s use of “perfect” referred to the completed revelation or totally revealed New Testament Scriptures.

The revelation of God’s will was completed in its entirety when the final book of the New Testament, Revelation, was written by John prior to A.D. 100."

Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION < click
 

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Exactly. One "held truth" in regards to this doctrine leads to another ... to another ... to another ... and on and on it goes. It is hardly surprising that we have many today claiming to be apostles and prophets.
Fester, and all who would....go here:

Apostle/Prophet Chuck Pierce of the NAR has a video out.
might take a moment to load the vid....worth waiting for i guess:)


Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. < click


here`s the transcription of God speaking directly, First Person to people, through Apostle Pierce.


Current Prophecy and Revelation

A Wind is Blowing and Angels are on Your Path


Prophecy given on: March 28, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Chuck Pierce, Trisha Roselle

And I say to you the adversity that’s been stopping you, I will blow a new wind of My Spirit in these next three weeks. And right now that wind is stirring in Heaven. So I say contend with Me for these next three weeks and what has been adverse sent by the adversary and what has been adverse that you’ve been in trial over. I say to you this wind from Heaven that you bring down will open your way out of that situation.

And I say be not unaware for angels have been dispatched and even beginning now you will start sensing angelic hosts next to you; seeing them move, seeing them open up the place for you to settle for the next season. I say to you, angelic dispatchment has occurred. Watch, for some will be harvesters and some will be defenders, some will give you safe passage and others will stand as you war for the spoils that I’m giving you. I say to you the dispatchment has occurred do not be unaware but very aware of My presence around you.

I hear the Lord say, get Me justice from My adversary now. Your continual praise and your continual prayers have wearied the enemy. And the Lord says to be encouraged because justice is on its way!



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so, my thoughts would be:

1) dude says he is totally a prophet and apostle
2) God is supposedly speaking directly to us
3) this new revelation is completely incoherent
4) millions of people believe Mr.Pierce
5) there are hundreds of thousands more prophets just like him


next post links (hopefully) to another prophetic session, which opens with tongues-speaking.

could anyone who believes these are the gifts from Scriptures please listen to the opening portion of the next video and authenticate the tongues-speaking.

k...ty.
 

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this session begins with tongues-speaking (first 27 seconds)
could anyone who practices this please tell me what she is saying or doing.
i dont understand her, it seems like gibberish to me, but maybe theres a way to know.
anyone please.

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We Are In a Time of Consecration

Prophecy given on: March 24, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Keith Pierce, Deborah DeGar

Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. - click (may take a moment to load)

transcription:

The Lord would say to you this day, I Am the Lord of time and you have waited on My hour hand to align, but do not forget My second hand because truly the hour is at hand but the seconds are ticking. See Me coming to a place where I Am aligning not only the hour hand but the second hand as well, because I Am the Lord of order. These next six weeks you will see a new consecration come over you just like I called upon the Priesthood to do. Because I Am the Lord of the Priesthood I Am the One that has called and chosen the hour hand as well as the second hand to see My Ark ushered in a mighty powerful way. So get ready, get ready, get ready and do not get dismayed because as the hour hand is ready so the second hand will be.

And the Lord says, this is the hour that I Am your suitor and I Am the One that is running after you and I Am chasing (you), saith the Lord. Even as you are chasing Me, for it is I that has accomplished those things that you are not able to accomplish, so see the hour says the Lord. It is not a season but it is an hour that I am speaking into and I Am saying that you are a people that are ready for the move that I have for you. You are a people that are postured and you are assuming the position to move forth as the mighty army that I have called you to be, but you are the ones who have assembled yourself and you are My Bride, and I Am your Suitor saith the Lord.

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okay...ty.
 

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so, given the last two posts from an Apostle and prophet, with tongues-speaking and whatnot.

Re: Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

is Chuck Pierce really an Apostle or prophet, and are the people with him exercising the Biblical miraculous gifts.

thank you.
anyone please answer.
there ought to be a clear way to know.
 

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Is there a foundation of New Jerusalem with the name, Chuck Pierce, on it? If so, you have your apostle.