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Willie-T

Willie-T

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stabbo said:
Could you tell me how changing your mind doesnt have any effect on who you are as a person.
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We weren't talking about it not having any effect. We were discussing the fact that it doesn't make them a different person.

BTW, this was addressed in that Google site I posted. But, you knew that, because you are concerned enough to have read it.
 
JesusLives

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stabbo said:
So God doesnt learn anything new when he changes his mind.
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God isn't on the time line we are He knows the end from the beginning so how would He learn something different from what He already knows?
 
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Mitspa

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stabbo said:
What do say about people who see in the bible that some verses appear to suggest that God sometimes changes his mind about things.
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I think that's a honest reading of the scriptures that as God is involved in the affairs of man he has used His judgment and in relation to man decided to change a situation. But He Himself does not change .
 
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stabbo

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Willie-T said:
We weren't talking about it not having any effect. We were discussing the fact that it doesn't make them a different person.

BTW, this was addressed in that Google site I posted. But, you knew that, because you are concerned enough to have read it.
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What would you say if I told you that changing my mind about things has made me a very diffrent person.
 
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stabbo

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JesusLives said:
God isn't on the time line we are He knows the end from the beginning so how would He learn something different from what He already knows?
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I dont know, its just a experimental thought at this time.
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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stabbo said:
What would you say if I told you that changing my mind about things has made me a very diffrent person.
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I would ask you, "How?" I've changed my mind about a lot of things, but that hasn't changed the basic person I am. It may have tempered the way I react and respond, but for instance, I still think Obama is out to destroy as much of the American image as he can, but I don't cuss him as I once would have, nor would I vote for him, although I DO pray for him... "occasionally." But being a Christian has not made me get any warm fuzzies for him.
 
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stabbo

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Willie-T said:
I would ask you, "How?" I've changed my mind about a lot of things, but that hasn't changed the basic person I am. It may have tempered the way I react and respond, but for instance, I still think Obama is out to destroy as much of the American image as he can, but I don't cuss him as I once would have, nor would I vote for him, although I DO pray for him... "occasionally." But being a Christian has not made me get any warm fuzzies for him.
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How? well what we think effects how we behave.
 
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crossnote said:
It depends. I first ask. "Are they reveling in their apostasy or, like the prodigal son, are they coming to their senses.
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Or at least trying to justify their apostasy to themselves.
 
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Elin

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stabbo said:
That's true Elin, would you like to know why I have to justify my apostasy to myself.
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Well, I'm pretty sure I know why, but it would be interesting to hear your take on it.
 
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stabbo

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Elin said:
Well, I'm pretty sure I know why, but it would be interesting to hear your take on it.
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Well I'll only state the case for me.

The reason I believe my apostasy is justified is because it can be justified not because it can't be justified. A good scientist will say "A good theory is a falsifiable one" this just means that what ever theories you have should be attempted to be disproven first before claiming them as fact. This is the very good thing about science and why it can self correct. Now when I started questioning the claims of Christianity I just applied the same principle to the bibles theories. All I was trying to do was prove to myself that they weren't disprovable so I could believe it.

And that's how I justify my apostasy.
 
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Mitspa

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stabbo said:
Well I'll only state the case for me.

The reason I believe my apostasy is justified is because it can be justified not because it can't be justified. A good scientist will say "A good theory is a falsifiable one" this just means that what ever theories you have should be attempted to be disproven first before claiming them as fact. This is the very good thing about science and why it can self correct. Now when I started questioning the claims of Christianity I just applied the same principle to the bibles theories. All I was trying to do was prove to myself that they weren't disprovable so I could believe it.

And that's how I justify my apostasy.
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Yea stabbo it takes faith in things not seen...that's why its called "faith" :) At some point a part of a man has to go beyond what can be seen in the natural realm and admit there is more than just this world....Many great scientist have understood this and true science is not opposed to faith.
 
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Elin

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stabbo said:
Well I'll only state the case for me.

The reason I believe my apostasy is justified is because it can be justified not because it can't be justified. A good scientist will say
"A good theory is a falsifiable one" this just means that what ever theories you have should be attempted to be disproven first before claiming them as fact. This is the very good thing about science and why it can self correct. Now when I started questioning the claims of Christianity I just applied the same principle to the bibles theories. All I was trying to do was prove to myself that they weren't disprovable so I could believe it.

And that's how I justify my apostasy.
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Got it. . .so that means you have decided God's revelation is only theory unless it can be proven by science?

That means, for you, science governs the Author of science?

So the real issue here is belief. . .you do not believe the Scriptures, which reveal the God of the universe.

Well here's the thing. . .the truth of Scripture cannot be "proven" by any human means.

Our acceptance of them as truth is a matter of faith, and faith is a matter of the Holy Spirit.

Do you want this faith?
 
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didymos

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stabbo said:
... Now when I started questioning the claims of Christianity I just applied the same principle to the bibles theories...
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Applying the scientific method to non testable 'theories.' Yeah, that makes sense.
Your beloved Popper just turned in his grave.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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stabbo said:
Well I'll only state the case for me.

The reason I believe my apostasy is justified is because it can be justified not because it can't be justified. A good scientist will say "A good theory is a falsifiable one" this just means that what ever theories you have should be attempted to be disproven first before claiming them as fact. This is the very good thing about science and why it can self correct. Now when I started questioning the claims of Christianity I just applied the same principle to the bibles theories. All I was trying to do was prove to myself that they weren't disprovable so I could believe it.

And that's how I justify my apostasy.
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You're not happy with your findings though are you - or you wouldn't be here?
 
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oldthennew

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mpw.

you are an amazing woman,
with an amazing perception!
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stabbo

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MadParrotWoman said:
You're not happy with your findings though are you - or you wouldn't be here?
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Ill be absolutely honest with you. I'm here because I ran into problems deprograming from christianity shortly after I joined an ex christian forum.
 
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