H1N1 Swine Flue Shot

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If you request to know what is in it, then they have to tell you.
Oh no they don't!! Stop being silly.
That is what organisations like the FDA and WHO are for. To vet these vaccinations prior to human usage.

But it contains mercury and other harmful things to us.
Speculation and conspiracy.
Do you have proof of this?
I doubt it.

I got some of my information about previous virus' from nurses and doctors.
That's great. Were they immunologists or just practice general medicine?

I don't think it was the spanish flu
I am not saying that H1N1 is a mutation of Spanish Flu, if that is what you are saying.
But here is some info anyway..


The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It may have been caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1[citation needed]. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.[2]
The pandemic lasted from approximately March 1918 to June 1920,[3] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide which is from three to seven times the casualties of the First World War (15 million), making it the deadliest natural disaster in human history.[4][5][6][7][8] An estimated 50 million people, about 3% of the world's population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), died of the disease. An estimated 500 million, or 1/3 were infected.[5]



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This virus is hundreds of years old, as far as I have learned.
ALL basic viruses are thousands, if not millions of years old, depending on your view of new earth creationism.
It is how they mutate through the process of adaptation which dictates their threat to our health.
Fortunately, only a few, so far, have proven nasty enough to cause a world-wide epidemic.
Viruses that affect domesticated livestock are no different. Check out Foot and Mouth for example.

Now your comment about children and pregnant women with no health issues. Their immune system is weak! therefore they can not readily fight off the virus.
Now this is where you are really stretching.
Why is it more dangerous to a pregnant healthy woman than a healthy non-pregnant woman?
Pregnancy actually STIMULATES the immune system. So there is one very large flaw in your argument.
Why do young children who are seemingly healthy and have no medical issues suffer so badly?
Surely it is the sick kids who have suppressed inmmuno systems and are more at risk.
But this is not the case if you study all of the available data.

And so what if I am 18? That's a problem with society today, just because I'm 18 people think us teenagers know nothing.
I am not saying that you know nothing.
I am just saying that you have a lot to learn.
Your simplistic analysis of this issue is a case in point.

I am very mature for my age, and have more wisdom and common sense, and knowledge then some 30+ year old's that I know.

Back up the truck a bit there son. You may be getting ahead of yourself.
Either that, or you know some pretty stupid 30 yr olds.

I'm very smart, praise God.
If you say so. But based on this, you appear right on average to me.
Hubris much?
I feel that, you think just because, I'm 18, that you automatically throw out my points, which are good points, out the window. Stereotyping if you will.
No. I base that on your knowledge of the topic at hand and the manner by which you articulate your argument.
 
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If you request to know what is in it, then they have to tell you. But it contains mercury and other harmful things to us. I got some of my information about previous virus' from nurses and doctors. I don't think it was the spanish flu. This virus is hundreds of years old, as far as I have learned.

Now your comment about children and pregnant women with no health issues. Their immune system is weak! therefore they can not readily fight off the virus.

And so what if I am 18? That's a problem with society today, just because I'm 18 people think us teenagers know nothing. I am very mature for my age, and have more wisdom and common sense, and knowledge then some 30+ year old's that I know. I'm very smart, praise God. He has given me knowledge so I can understand his word, and so I can spread it. But that's a whole other topic.

I feel that, you think just because, I'm 18, that you automatically throw out my points, which are good points, out the window. Stereotyping if you will.

Now with that said, I don't want to cause a disturbance in here on these forums. God Bless.

I think you are right, I also heard that they are putting mercury in these shots. And I think mercury causes alsimers(however you spell it). I believe that is what the government is trying to do; creat a weak and sickly population that they can control easier.

They are putting stuff in foods that are very harmful as well. If you look in the ingredients of a lot of things like bread you will see some weard stuff like ammoniom. I started making my own homeade bread. It tastes better anyway. In fact I'm eating some right now...Yumee:)

I quit using deoderant because the main ingredient is aluminum which I heard is very bad for You. I realy should find something. I'm sure that there are some deoderants that don't have aluminum.
 
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go to www.theflucase.com you're fine out everything that has been going on re the 'jane burgermeister' case, who sued baxter and the WHO.
 
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man i can't spell today, lol.
 
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That's another thing too, there are thousands upon thousands of people suing or they were before the health insurance companieS stopped taking claims, because there were so many problems afte r people receiving it. I have heArd a telephone conversation from someone who called looking for info about it and they did in fact give out ingredients, but didn't know what all was in it And didn't know what most of the stuff actually was.

Kids have a weaker immune system than you and I do they not? Perhaps because it is still developing? Thus they wouldn't be able to fight it off like you or I, maybe I'm wrong about the pregnant women. I got all of my information from a literal genius (he is reproducing and making a hydrogen running engine better)
 
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Oh also there was a time (I say that because it may or not be still) that this vaccine wasn't patented
 
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That's another thing too, there are thousands upon thousands of people suing or they were before the health insurance companieS stopped taking claims, because there were so many problems afte r people receiving it. I have heArd a telephone conversation from someone who called looking for info about it and they did in fact give out ingredients, but didn't know what all was in it And didn't know what most of the stuff actually was.

Kids have a weaker immune system than you and I do they not? Perhaps because it is still developing? Thus they wouldn't be able to fight it off like you or I, maybe I'm wrong about the pregnant women. I got all of my information from a literal genius (he is reproducing and making a hydrogen running engine better)
Oh also there was a time (I say that because it may or not be still) that this vaccine wasn't patented

My points too hard to rebutt?

Let's just say that your thousands and thousands are countered by millions and millions, worldwide, who have walked away unharned.

Your "literal genius" may not be such a genius after all.

Not patented? Are you serious?? Back that up with some facts for once.
 
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That's another thing too, there are thousands upon thousands of people suing or they were before the health insurance companieS stopped taking claims, because there were so many problems afte r people receiving it. I have heArd a telephone conversation from someone who called looking for info about it and they did in fact give out ingredients, but didn't know what all was in it And didn't know what most of the stuff actually was.

Kids have a weaker immune system than you and I do they not? Perhaps because it is still developing? Thus they wouldn't be able to fight it off like you or I, maybe I'm wrong about the pregnant women. I got all of my information from a literal genius (he is reproducing and making a hydrogen running engine better)
If he's a genius its a good thing he's reproducing... we can use more genius' on earth ;0)
 

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I have heard some very alarming things about the Swine Flue Shot. I don't want to mention some of them just in case they are not true. But I think it is conspirital. I think it is all being designed by the government. I know for myself I would never get the shot. What do you think?
I wouldn't get the shot for several reasons. I'm not going to post all of my reasons now, but I do agree that swine flu is conspiratorial.

For example, pregnant women are always told repeatedly to avoid using various drugs. Yet in this particular instance they were herded into clinics like crazy - by fear mongering tactics - to get these shots. This despite the fact that the medicine is new, and has had no long term testing to prove that it's really safe. The entire debacle stinks terribly. I've also heard of stories of such women who miscarried their babies within a short time of receiving the shot.

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there a few actully some claim it doesnt work its just a money scheme other say its for goverment control theres a site that has the top 10 conspiracy of swine flu
Well if you are a stock holder in the pharmaceutical company that makes this medicine, you are planning a vacation to Hawaii right now. Corporations will be the ruin of our freedoms.

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It may not be manditory yet, but I heard of some people getting fired from jobs because they refused to take it. I never get flue shots or any of that garbage and I'm healthy as a horse( I guess I am anyway) I'm not even on health insurance. I got soul insurance and that is all I need.
True enough. There were nurses in the state of New York who refused the shot and lost their jobs over it.

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I wouldn't get the shot for several reasons. I'm not going to post all of my reasons now, but I do agree that swine flu is conspiratorial.
Because you can't prove it.


For example, pregnant women are always told repeatedly to avoid using various drugs. Yet in this particular instance they were herded into clinics like crazy - by fear mongering tactics - to get these shots. This despite the fact that the medicine is new, and has had no long term testing to prove that it's really safe. The entire debacle stinks terribly. I've also heard of stories of such women who miscarried their babies within a short time of receiving the shot.
Lots of stories and heresay.

Prove it.
Well if you are a stock holder in the pharmaceutical company that makes this medicine, you are planning a vacation to Hawaii right now. Corporations will be the ruin of our freedoms.

Quest
Prove it and stop talking rubbish without proof.

He can't help it. That's how people in Australia talk.
Only when people talk crap and can't back it up.




Plenty of opportunities here for you to back up your claims.

Away you go.
 
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as we all can see, the "epidemic" failed to be a epidemic...

some sadly died yes, but't that happens every time there is a flu, only normally the media dont put it on the front cover then....
 

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as we all can see, the "epidemic" failed to be a epidemic...

some sadly died yes, but't that happens every time there is a flu, only normally the media dont put it on the front cover then....
Precisely. I think this whole thing - at best - was just a test, to see how the general public would respond. There is absolutely no acceptable reason for H1N1 to be repeated every single newscast on television. The hype was incredible.

You just want to scream at the TV and tell the anchor to stop lying because you get sick of the same thing every night at 6pm.

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I don't feel I need to prove myself to you. But if you think that the government doesn't have conspiracies, then I think you may need a reality check. It is because of our government that the world is the way it is today. Greed, Pride etc... Things that the Bible tells us to stay away from. It is or government, that is Killing us, as individals and as a society in whole.
 
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I don't feel I need to prove myself to you. But if you think that the government doesn't have conspiracies, then I think you may need a reality check. It is because of our government that the world is the way it is today. Greed, Pride etc... Things that the Bible tells us to stay away from. It is or government, that is Killing us, as individals and as a society in whole.

And people think that Iraq is the evil country. I was looking at a few pictures of inocent children who were missing limbs because of the Iraq war. How could a person even defend an evil country like America who slaghters thousand of babies,promotes gays,is the land of false prophets and perverters of the Bible. I believe that the U.S. government is more wicked than the people of Iraq. I think that the terrorists are the people leading this nation.

If your and average person and you kill someone you spend 50 years to life in prison. If you are a politiacal leader and you kill someone, you spend 4 to 8 years in the white house.(this saying is borrowed).
 
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Ahhhh..The good ole USA!

The land of the free, the home of the brave and city central for crackpots with conspiracy theories.;)

I do agree on the Iraq war, but not in the context that you put it in.
 
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I'm not saying the US is good, they are in fact evil. They are very proud country. But the people who blow themselves up are just as bad.
 
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