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Never just visit a Pentecostal church without knowing what you will get yourself into. They should post a disclaimer on the front entrance (no offense intended).
Anyway the variance in worship can be drastic from one denomination to the other. Imagine going from a baptist hymn singing service right into a holy spirit filled dancing/jumping/yelling revival
Anyway the variance in worship can be drastic from one denomination to the other. Imagine going from a baptist hymn singing service right into a holy spirit filled dancing/jumping/yelling revival
If you have the Holy Spirit you are a child of God, the gifts come as the Spirit wills.
Seek the Giver above seeking gifts.
A little child at the fair saw children grabbing this balloon and that balloon from the balloon vendor. Suddenly the little child rushed up to the vendor and grabbed him!, stating 'now all the balloons are mine!'
Seek the Giver above seeking gifts.
A little child at the fair saw children grabbing this balloon and that balloon from the balloon vendor. Suddenly the little child rushed up to the vendor and grabbed him!, stating 'now all the balloons are mine!'
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The best assumption we can make is that Paul found some disciples of John the baptizer, Who had become believers of the Jewish God; they had not heard the full Gospel of Jesus death resurrection and the whole truth. Paul preach Jesus for 2 yrs. with many maricles grounding these believers in Christ. More latter, Love to all, Hoffco.
If you accept the sacrifice of Christ for your sins and His resurrection promise of new life, you are saved. The gifts (such as tongues) are available for those who will receive them, but their evidence is not required for salvation. Among those who receive them, well, we humans often over-do such things, which is why Paul told some to put a leash on it. Pray for discernment, all the gifts should glorify the Christ, and if they are aimed at anything else be very suspicious.
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Before you believe you are born again of the Spirit, he draws you to believe, after turning from your sin and believing in Him, then the Spirit dwells within you to sanctify you and seal you for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). You must be both regenerated and have the Holy Spirit to be a Christian.
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1 Corinthians 12:27-31 NASB
Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
I just came upon 1 Corinthians 12 & 14 and it explains it greatly, thanks to a friend who just sent it to me. So it's a gift and not everyone can have it so I don't feel bad anymore
the gift of "tongues" is just ONE of the gifts of the Holy Spirit...........and, as Paul lists the gifts, it is the least...........
What passes as "tongues" in churches today is not the Biblical tongues..........Holy Spirit given gift.........seriously, hurt feelings or not..........what goes on today is gibberish designed to edify ones self and convince others that one has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
Biblical tongues is the gift of the ability to speak in "other / unknown to you" languages. It's that simple.
Receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is the 2nd act of Grace known as "Sanctification." In various places in the Book of Acts one can find how this occurs.
What passes as "tongues" in churches today is not the Biblical tongues..........Holy Spirit given gift.........seriously, hurt feelings or not..........what goes on today is gibberish designed to edify ones self and convince others that one has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
Biblical tongues is the gift of the ability to speak in "other / unknown to you" languages. It's that simple.
Receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is the 2nd act of Grace known as "Sanctification." In various places in the Book of Acts one can find how this occurs.
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Essentially the Holy Spirit is within us the day we become born again. The charismatic concept of 'receiving the spirit' is more along the lines of receiving a new interaction, rather than an accepting in, each time. The 'receiving the spirit' idea of charismatics is the one that places emphasis on tongues and other 'signs'. But in reality these are two separate concepts, just worded too similarly to be clear to people who haven't yet learned the distinction.
That said, i personally, am not charismatic any longer, and no longer accept the charismatic view of the Holy Spirit.
That said, i personally, am not charismatic any longer, and no longer accept the charismatic view of the Holy Spirit.
Not sure of what your definition of "charismatic" is.............but IF you mean Pentecostal, then neither am I. However, I fully believe in the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, and the gifts He imparts to believers.......That makes me "Holiness."
Now, in answer to your post...........this is the quickest way to answer it:
http://christianchat.com/blogs/p_rehbein/4101-pictoral-essay-gods-salvation-plan.html
Now, in answer to your post...........this is the quickest way to answer it:
http://christianchat.com/blogs/p_rehbein/4101-pictoral-essay-gods-salvation-plan.html
Yeah, what he said. You are baptized in the Spirit when you accept Christ. What others interpret as a later baptism is actually a first experience in letting the Spirit that's already inside you inside you flow out thru you. Tongues are popular because they're cheap and easy, if you'll pardon the expression. It doesn't take much faith to babble incoherently in a crowd that is doing so. It takes more faith to place a hand on someone and speak a word of healing, or wisdom or knowledge or such. Especially when you're away from the babeling crowd and out in the real world. Tongues is the least of the gifts, if there is such a thing. We should be available to receiving whatever gift is necessary to bring God's will to bear on a situation. And to do so away from the babeling crowd, where the need is greatest.
