The Sinless Human

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NetChaplain

NetChaplain

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2ndTimothyGroup said:
How can you give this an "Amen"?

Are you saying that before Adam and Eve "fell," they were already "fallen"? Impossible. Come on, NC!
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Isn't the more important issue the fact that God knew they would partake of the Tree, which means it was part of His plan. Since He foreknew it and allowed it to transpire, it can only be because that's how He wanted to do it, or He would have done it another way.

When Moses wrote that "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen 1:31) it included everything that would develop from what was made, i.e. He knew He would be using evil for the sake of manifesting good (His holiness).
 
NetChaplain

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2ndTimothyGroup said:
So Adam and Eve were Cursed before they were Cursed? NC . . . you're completely missing the point and Holy Purpose of the Bible. I'm amazed.
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The curse isn't the sin nature, but what it incurs. Remember, He mad the devil knowing how He was going to use him.
 
2ndTimothyGroup

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NetChaplain said:
Isn't the more important issue the fact that God knew they would partake of the Tree, which means it was part of His plan. Since He foreknew it and allowed it to transpire, it can only be because that's how He wanted to do it, or He would have done it another way.

When Moses wrote that "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen 1:31) it included everything that would develop from what was made, i.e. He knew He would be using evil for the sake of manifesting good (His holiness).
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You didn't answer my question.
 
2ndTimothyGroup

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NetChaplain said:
The curse isn't the sin nature, but what it incurs. Remember, He mad the devil knowing how He was going to use him.
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NC, the fall of man 100% includes the Sinful Nature. Before they sinned, they were perfect. Amazing . . . I am perplexed that this is even an issue.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
So Adam and Eve were Cursed before they were Cursed? NC . . . you're completely missing the point and Holy Purpose of the Bible. I'm amazed.
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I don't believe that they were cursed but rather made poor choices that led to sin being committed.
 
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tourist said:
I don't believe that they were cursed but rather made poor choices that led to sin being committed.
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Pretty much. But . . . if we look up the definition of Human Nature, it is defined as "Servant." Sound familiar? :)

What the Human Nature does is serve, and it will serve whoever comes along and tells it what to do . . . ie, Satan, or the Holy Spirit. Whichever Father we possess, we WILL serve it. And if we are serving the Holy Spirit, then we are Enabled to Serve Him.
 
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