Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

To me the difference between Christians and Muslims, is that Christians can often be weak-minded in the right direction (but tend to 'act' strong-minded) and tend to create division with each other, and Muslims can often be strong-minded in the wrong direction (but tend to 'appear' humble) and tend to be more as brothers and sisters than Christians are to each other. I say appear for Muslims because I don't know them well enough to know whether it is an act. Islam extremism has it's viciously aggressive wolves, Christianity extremism (disguised and hidden) has it's venomous snakes and web weaving spiders.

But what is similar is that they both tend to see love an unimportant over God or Allah. It's almost as if, God/Allah is the only reason they have to love, which makes it calculated. They can say things such as hating your enemy is loving. To me that is blasphemy of God's truth. God is Love, God equals Love, therefore both God, and Love are equally important. It's as if they are both each other's problem, that is not going to go away.

If you are against Islam and it's ideologies, then it is only love which will conquer it. All your judgements upon it do nothing, all the brain-washing against it, does nothing. It is a venomous, web-weaving innuendo of purple candy coated hate speech.

While people condemn hate speech, which Islam is so often accused of in the West, it appears the hate speech of people such as those on here, rightly 'observed' by the original poster, is somehow allowed?

If you make a thread about such, the people who comment the most are usually going to be those you have offended. To them, how dare you bring up anything which tries to engage us into a thought of love? And they will try to make sure the minds of those even daring to think about love for fellow human beings is crushed. We must label others, they propagandise. Put humans in categories.

Exactly how can you convert a Muslim to Christianity, by spreading hate for their belief? I thought it was love that converts people, and yet both sides struggle with that, and therefore there is only physical violence left. And you have Muslims forcing conversion, and Christians doing nothing about it, but feeling prideful in condemning Islam. This is what I refer to weak-minded.

Is there a reason for this section on the forum??? Maybe we are supposed to make Muslims feel welcome here, rather than have them see it as an anti-Muslim site (sorry I mean anti-Islam, still as offensive to a Muslim). How can we show Muslims we have a better truth if the first thing we can't do is be loving? And we allow people who have a high standing on this site, to continue to spew hatred that they will say is not (in delusion)?
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Love DOES NOT make us weak, it makes us strong. If you think being ANTI or HATEFUL makes you strong, you are just a pathetic excuse of a person, that hides it behind a computer monitor, where the only power you have is in what you say.

If there is one thing we have over any other religion in the world, it is what we have been taught by Jesus about loving others.

If all you do is love God, but struggle greatly in your love for all human life, even the worst of them, then are you not just a fruit which has decayed or a plant that has withered away?


You can use up all your brain cells saying bad about a religion which a massive proportion of people hold dearly to their heart. They aren't going to listen to you. Or you can show love for people, for God and for Jesus, and people will compare their own situation or religion to how your religion affects you, and say yeh seems like there is some real good about this Jesus guy and those that follow him.

Threads like this one are very enlightening to me. Although I admit I have been taken back by some of the responses and kinda-horrified by a few others, overall it has been a very educational experience to check in here and catch up on the conversation. I'm learning how some of you think and feel, and that is good information to know.

Yes, it is all about fear with those who condemn and hate and attack.

Those who talk in this way, devoid of love, I am pretty sure don't have a sound mind.

Who has responded most to this thread?

Who are you talking about there?

This thread is hypocritical.

Accusations being flung at other members of hate and racism and fear mongering are celebrated, while actual facts and well assembled arguments are hateful and lacking of love.

Im more convinced that those who continually accuse others of hate and violence are more motivated by their own frustrations due to the fact that they just dont like or agree with those posting more than any actual concern of hate and violence.

My thing is, in that situation, they are going to kill you anyway. You've got nothing to lose, yet everything to gain. if you fail, you died sooner rather than later and if you succeed, the only people who died are the terrorists and everyone else can go home to their loved ones.

It is actually NOT that easy to subdue a person unless you're trained to do that.
That's why police have special training in the particular types of body mechanics needed for that.

Personally, if I were in the midst of a homicidal attack,
I might be thinking about a lot of different things...
but the "safety of the perpetrator" would not be on the list.

It would just never enter my mind.
And it's silly for anyone to think it would.

we only hate what God hates...

if someone broke my door in and threatened to harm my husband?
I have absolutely NO DOUBT that my Saviour would give me His
Holy instructions and His Holy ability to do what He would have
me or us do in this situation...Amen...

Id say thats a pretty blanket and judgmental statement. Only God knows the heart. No one here has said they hate Muslims but that they hate Islam. Do you think you are the judge of peoples hearts? smh

Muslims

Regarding Muslims, I think the biblical position would be to hate their religion,
but to have love for the individual people, just as any people who need Christ.

However, that doesn't mean we have to give them carte blanche to do whatever they like.

There are plenty of people I prefer to love from a distance.

Quote "To me the difference between Christians and Muslims, is that Christians can often be weak-minded in the right direction (but tend to 'act' strong-minded) and tend to create division with each other, and Muslims can often be strong-minded in the wrong direction (but tend to 'appear' humble) and tend to be more as brothers and sisters than Christians are to each other. "

Tend to be more as brothers and sisters?! Do you know anything about Muslims at all?! They cant even be at peace with each other.They constantly at war one tribe against another. As one former Muslim lady said "Even Muslims cant tell who the real Muslims are". What an unreal statement to make. Im sorry but it proves you know very little about Muslims.


Quote " Islam extremism has it's viciously aggressive wolves, Christianity extremism (disguised and hidden) has it's venomous snakes and web weaving spiders."


There is no comparison between a true Christian and a true Muslim. A true Christian does not commit terrorism. That comparison is offensive.


Quote "But what is similar is that they both tend to see love an unimportant over God or Allah. It's almost as if, God/Allah is the only reason they have to love, which makes it calculated. They can say things such as hating your enemy is loving. To me that is blasphemy of God's truth. God is Love, God equals Love, therefore both God, and Love are equally important. It's as if they are both each other's problem, that is not going to go away."

Im not quite sure exactly what you mean entirely. But this generation loves to preach God is love,and He absolutely is! But He is also the perfect judge. There is judgment and if you preach only love you are lying about who God really is.


Quote "If you are against Islam and it's ideologies, then it is only love which will conquer it. All your judgements upon it do nothing, all the brain-washing against it, does nothing. It is a venomous, web-weaving innuendo of purple candy coated hate speech. "


Telling the truth about sin is never wrong. Christians need to know the Islam is an evil belief. That does not mean we hate Muslims,but we do call sin,sin. Now you can call that hate speech and be PC and very self righteous about yourself. It doesn't change the fact that Islam is anti-Christ,a hateful and dangerous belief. If we do not know that then you have Christians saying things like "Allah and God are the same" Calling sin,sin is not hate speech,no matter how much you want it to be and how self righteous it makes you feel.

Quote "While people condemn hate speech, which Islam is so often accused of in the West, it appears the hate speech of people such as those on here, rightly 'observed' by the original poster, is somehow allowed?"

Where has there been hate speech? Please point me to it. That is a false accusation except for the banned person who had the thread "I hate Muslims".


Quote "If you make a thread about such, the people who comment the most are usually going to be those you have offended."

Yes,I'd say when someone lies about you and says you hate a person when you have said you dont,I think that would offend a person.You are judging and that is a sin.


Quote" To them, how dare you bring up anything which tries to engage us into a thought of love? And they will try to make sure the minds of those even daring to think about love for fellow human beings is crushed. We must label others, they propagandise. Put humans in categories."


Again,you are judging. No one has said do not love Muslims. Yes,we need to be aware of Islam and why it is dangerous,but that does not equal hate.


Quote "Exactly how can you convert a Muslim to Christianity, by spreading hate for their belief?"

You tell them why what they believe is wrong. They dont know. You share the truth with them. Islam is evil,how can one deny that it is?

Quote " I thought it was love that converts people, and yet both sides struggle with that, and therefore there is only physical violence left. And you have Muslims forcing conversion, and Christians doing nothing about it, but feeling prideful in condemning Islam. This is what I refer to weak-minded.

There is no pride in condemning Islam. God Himself condemns Islam,what a weird comment to make.OF COURSE we condemn Islam,it is a false and evil religion.


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If a person comes here promoting the Islamic religion they will be banned. Check through the threads.


Quote " If you think being ANTI or HATEFUL makes you strong, you are just a pathetic excuse of a person, that hides it behind a computer monitor, where the only power you have is in what you say."

For the millionth time no one is promoting hate.That is a lie. You're condemning people you think "hate" and then calling people names. That is hypocritical.


Quote"You can use up all your brain cells saying bad about a religion which a massive proportion of people hold dearly to their heart. They aren't going to listen to you. Or you can show love for people, for God and for Jesus, and people will compare their own situation or religion to how your religion affects you, and say yeh seems like there is some real good about this Jesus guy and those that follow him."

Telling the truth about this false religion is not wrong. Christians need to know the truth about it. And PC police can condemn and name call all they want,Im not about to stop telling the truth to Christians who dont know about Islam. That does not mean I hate Muslims,I hate the false belief and that is called righteous indignance. People are being converted from Islam and I rejoice over that fact. I would share the truth of Gods Word if I met a Muslim,yes,in love. But none the less I would tell them they are serving a false god and Muhammad is a false prophet and that God wants to give them a new life.

Exactly. If this is wrong to kill in self defense, then God Himself has sinned cause He has taken out entire nations of people just to protect His Covenant partners... the seed of Abraham which under a covenant relationship is self defense.

Here's an interesting portion of scripture where Jesus is instructing His followers to buy a weapon:

Luke 22:35,36
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

There's only one possible reason for anyone to have a "sword" (in today's world it would be a handgun or a long gun)... and that is for self defense.

Yes the Lord said turn the other cheek but after seeing Luke 22:35,36 apparently turn the other cheek is only up to a point and does not mean to sit there and get murdered if it is within your power to use a weapon for self defense.

On the other hand, we do see in Hebrews where some refused deliverance just so they could obtain a better resurrection meaning they were ready to leave this sin sick world so we have a choice to make... self defense or do what Stephen did and not stand in opposition to being whacked which by the way brought Jesus to His feet after being seated at the Right Hand of God!

There is major reward to not being in fear and witnessing to someone right until the end (may have been a turning point in the Apostle Paul's life when he witnesses Stephen getting whacked) and being killed for the Gospel... on the other hand, taking the self defense route for the sake of saving others could possible get one of those that your actions save to accept the Lord where they otherwise would not have.

Looks like we would need the leading of the Lord to see which route He wants us to take in a deadly situation... especially considering the Lord did promise us long life!

It's a pity that instead, we don't raise threads about how to share the gospel
with Muslims. Yes we have to be careful not to put ourselves in harms way when faced with
extremists, although I've never met a Muslim who wasn't just an ordinary person like you
and me. Earning a living, taking care of the family etc.



Muslims are in bondage, just as much as atheists, mormons, cults etc etc.
They need to hear the gospel and be given an opportunity to come to salvation
as much as anyone else.


Anyway I thought this might be of interest.

Ex-Muslim's suggestion on "How to Evangelize a Muslim" with Reformed echoes | The Network

We did have a thread on evangelizing, but it was turned into a "Muslims are dangerous" thread

You are raising an interesting question. It is not easy knowing what to do in a situation where your life is at risk. People will often get paralyzed by shock and fear and will not be able to kill or subdue the attacker. That's the attackers main advantage. Even though you got a gun on you, chances are you don't even gonna try producing it. Also, people will start thinking what damage they may cause by doing anything. So, there are a lot of mechanisms working for the attacker.

I can't offer any advice on what to do if the above situation should occur, because it takes years of training and experience to handle it, but as for myself, I'm paying some attention to my surroundings wherever I am. But to overcome shock and fear, I don't really know how to explain how that makes most humans malfunction severly when under attack.

You see, thats the thing. Using the evils of Islam is a way to help Muslims come to Christ.

You want to share the Gospel with a Muslim? We already believe in Jesus, He is one of our greatest prophets (peace be upon Him). He cannot be the Son of allah, allah has no sons. He never died on the cross for our sins, allah made the man on the cross appear as Jesus to confuse the Jews so that allah could rescue Jesus. Your bible is corrupt, and has been changed so many times, and you are confused about the truth. You need to read the quran, and come back to God. Shirk is the unforgivable sin, allah has no partners.

What do you do now?

Apparently showing how Islam is evil, and Muhammad was a false prophet and did nearly everything that God has told us not to do is just evil : p Im sure if theres one thing God hates, its proving how false prophets have nothing to do with Him : p
Most Muslims dont leave Islam because Christians were so nice to them. They leave Islam because others have shared with them how Muhammad was a false prophet. How he forced people to believe by the sword, slept with a 9 year old girl, claimed that the sun set in a muddy pool of water, and any other thing that is wrong with Islam.


The most annoying thing about this is that Im literally talking to a brick wall : p The people who come here and post these things dont even read responses, they just come in to say what they want to say then leave and dont come back.I mean apparently we still believe that the point of showing how the quran is evil is "for our saftey"-

As if anyone is advocating "dont share the Gospel with Muslims, its too dangerous", haha.

Muslims believe they are already following Jesus. They have already been told he is only a prophet, and have been lead to believe that Jesus is one with God, and by entering the flesh became the Son of God, is confusing and complete nonsense, and is just once again human beings taking something physical and worshiping it.

Haha, when the pharisees argued with Jesus, I cant remember a time where He ever said something along the lines of "friends, cant we get along? We have no need to dispute what is right and true", He completely used scripture to put down their arguments : p
I never understand when people say "only love will change anything, not venomous arguments", debates have helped many people come to Christ. Facts have helped many people come to Christ. People with the ability to argue their point and defend their stance have helped many people come to Christ.

I really cant see how any of this is evil : p Im certain that people just use these kind of arguments against people they dont like : p You can tell someone that they are wrong, that the teachers they listen to are wrong, and still love them.


God did not command us to show respect for false prophets.