Low Testosterone

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tourist

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I wish I knew about how Low Testosterone can cause a man so much issues. When I researched into it, I was shocked to discover how Low T in men parallels the symptoms of men having being diagnosed as having fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue.

I have been starting to suspect I may of had a low T problem for quite some time, since my early adult life, but not aware of it. Nowadays I can be considered medication free from my system (accept in moments where I may get a cold or some other virus).

When I think back to first time a blood test revealed that my testosterone dropped below the bare minimum (this was I think in my mid 30s), and then when I had to have a 2nd testosterone test in the morning, it only showed a little bit higher (just above the bare minimum). Now that I think about it, a lot of my fatigue moments I often experience is usually later in the day, around noon to afternoon time frame. And that time frame corresponds to when I had my first testosterone blood test done. Very interesting.

I have researched about Testosterone Replacement Therapy, and am very skeptical about it.
I believe that I have chronic fatigue also and have suffered from this since I was in my teens. Saw a doctor once and he said there is not much in the way of treatment for this type of malady. Suffered from bouts of depression as well but these come and go and while not debilitating it does affect your well-being. I pray that there is an effective treatment for you.
 

Jackson123

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Does anyone here know much about Low Testosterone? Or know others who suffer with it?

I am one of those guys that for many years now I have been battling with Fibromyalgia, Temporomandibular Joint Dysfunction (both discs have been displaced) as these are conditions I have been diagnosed as having. There are days it does impact me, especially the facial pain and the fatigue if I over exert myself. I have my fair share of depression as well.

What is interesting is that I have found out through research a lot of men who have been diagnosed as having Fibromyalgia apparently have Low Testesterone.

I have once again been looking at my past blood tests history and I notice that in one year my Testesterone was below the minimum level but when the test was done a 2nd time (2nd time in the morning), the result a little bit higher, but because it was in the range just above the bare minimum it wasn't looked at any further. My last blood test as far as Testosterone is concerned is just too close to the bare minimum. That just does not sound right with me. Think I should get another test done, but in the afternoon, it may prove to be interesting.

With my jaw problem, i never knew how I got it, it has always remained a mystery, and my levels of fatigue have always been a mystery to me as well. I actually wonder if my body literally is unable to produce enough testosterone. I never was able to find out why I got these health conditions.

https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2...health-fibromyalgia-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/
 

Hevosmies

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#23
I want to tell you what the Spirit explained to me....................
being around women who want you.
So fornication? OK.

Uhh yeah?? what? This sounds great, but the problem is: its not biblical and not how its supposed to be for a Christian today. Unless i've completely misunderstood Paul's writings and the teachings of the NT in general.
 

JosephsDreams

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Buddy, you should read the books by Dr. Sherry Rogers (prestige publishing dot com or Amazon). She is an allergist who had to fix her health before she could work as a doctor. Fibromyalgia is a reaction to environmental toxins. To get rid of toxins, mix calcium bentonite clay with water and eat/drink it plus curcumin extract from turmeric will increase getting rid of toxins. The best calcium bentonite clay that I know of is from Living Clay Co and is available from the power mall section of powerhournation dot com.
Eat no processed food (foods that come in a box with ingredients that sound like chemicals.
Dr. Rogers likes the macrobiotic diet but she knows some people need meat.
All of her books refer to her other books so it kind of requires you to buy almost all of them.
I think some fats are good like butter (not margarine) and coconut oil even though the macrobiotic diet doesn't include them.
Flax is a good oil but it's not for cooking. Some like to cook with olive oil.
I don't trust other kinds of oil for cooking.
After you are on the calcium bentonite clay for 3 to 4 weeks, there will be ring-around-the-collar dirt that comes out of your skin pores that will seem like dry, flaky skin.
Some like dried oregano leaves that grow wild in the Mediterranean area or the oil from the same plant.
I haven't tried the oregano leaves (Oregamax from North American Herb and Spice) but I have tried the oregano oil.
Curcumin extract from turmeric (95% circumin is the best) is stronger. Available as Bodease from infowarsstore dot com or the power mall has curcumin. Curcumin is strong. The calcium bentonite clay is more gentle and takes longer.
Taking both is what I do. I don't have fibromyalgia.
infowarsstore sells male enhancer herbs but low testosterone is a symptom.
Fluoride and chlorine added to water is not good.
infowars (Propur) and jmccsci dot com sells water filters to get the chemicals out.
The filters are expensive but drinking fluoride reduces health.
They don't add fluoride in Europe. They think adding fluoride is a conspiracy theory.
Fluoride takes the place of iodine in the thyroid.
For the absolute best LIVING CLAY, without any adulteration, call Dan Golden in San Diego. It is at a whole completely higher level ( 10 levels, actually ) then ALL other clays.
 

JosephsDreams

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#26
Buddy, you should read the books by Dr. Sherry Rogers (prestige publishing dot com or Amazon). She is an allergist who had to fix her health before she could work as a doctor. Fibromyalgia is a reaction to environmental toxins. To get rid of toxins, mix calcium bentonite clay with water and eat/drink it plus curcumin extract from turmeric will increase getting rid of toxins. The best calcium bentonite clay that I know of is from Living Clay Co and is available from the power mall section of powerhournation dot com.
Eat no processed food (foods that come in a box with ingredients that sound like chemicals.
Dr. Rogers likes the macrobiotic diet but she knows some people need meat.
All of her books refer to her other books so it kind of requires you to buy almost all of them.
I think some fats are good like butter (not margarine) and coconut oil even though the macrobiotic diet doesn't include them.
Flax is a good oil but it's not for cooking. Some like to cook with olive oil.
I don't trust other kinds of oil for cooking.
After you are on the calcium bentonite clay for 3 to 4 weeks, there will be ring-around-the-collar dirt that comes out of your skin pores that will seem like dry, flaky skin.
Some like dried oregano leaves that grow wild in the Mediterranean area or the oil from the same plant.
I haven't tried the oregano leaves (Oregamax from North American Herb and Spice) but I have tried the oregano oil.
Curcumin extract from turmeric (95% circumin is the best) is stronger. Available as Bodease from infowarsstore dot com or the power mall has curcumin. Curcumin is strong. The calcium bentonite clay is more gentle and takes longer.
Taking both is what I do. I don't have fibromyalgia.
infowarsstore sells male enhancer herbs but low testosterone is a symptom.
Fluoride and chlorine added to water is not good.
infowars (Propur) and jmccsci dot com sells water filters to get the chemicals out.
The filters are expensive but drinking fluoride reduces health.
They don't add fluoride in Europe. They think adding fluoride is a conspiracy theory.
Fluoride takes the place of iodine in the thyroid.
Forget the water filters. Get the RJ water machine. The best, by far, on the market.
 

JosephsDreams

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Dec 31, 2015
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#27
I wish I knew about how Low Testosterone can cause a man so much issues. When I researched into it, I was shocked to discover how Low T in men parallels the symptoms of men having being diagnosed as having fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue.

I have been starting to suspect I may of had a low T problem for quite some time, since my early adult life, but not aware of it. Nowadays I can be considered medication free from my system (accept in moments where I may get a cold or some other virus).

When I think back to first time a blood test revealed that my testosterone dropped below the bare minimum (this was I think in my mid 30s), and then when I had to have a 2nd testosterone test in the morning, it only showed a little bit higher (just above the bare minimum). Now that I think about it, a lot of my fatigue moments I often experience is usually later in the day, around noon to afternoon time frame. And that time frame corresponds to when I had my first testosterone blood test done. Very interesting.

I have researched about Testosterone Replacement Therapy, and am very skeptical about it.
Testosterone replacement is a horror show. The problem is lifestyle. Dont let the big pharma companies make one another victim of their brain washing and money schemes.
 

JosephsDreams

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#28
I’m not following how informing someone about testosterone leads to heartbreak. After my low T diagnosis, I would have been grateful to have had this knowledge delivered to me. Because of acting on my findings I have optimal hormone balance, a stronger, tighter physique and overall better outlook on life now, compared to 12 years ago.
Testosterone replacement is a horror show. Dont allow the big pharma companies to brainwash you and make you a cash dispenser.
 

Hungry

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So fornication? OK.

Uhh yeah?? what? This sounds great, but the problem is: its not biblical and not how its supposed to be for a Christian today. Unless i've completely misunderstood Paul's writings and the teachings of the NT in general.
Really?! Out of that whole post, this is what you excerpt. It was one valid mention among several ways. Not a recommendation just a fact.
 

tourist

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#30
So fornication? OK.

Uhh yeah?? what? This sounds great, but the problem is: its not biblical and not how its supposed to be for a Christian today. Unless i've completely misunderstood Paul's writings and the teachings of the NT in general.
Actually, it was a sound recommendation, preferably with a woman you will spend the rest of your life with. I seriously doubt that he was promoting a casual sexual encounter.
 

Hungry

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So fornication? OK.

Uhh yeah?? what? This sounds great, but the problem is: its not biblical and not how its supposed to be for a Christian today. Unless i've completely misunderstood Paul's writings and the teachings of the NT in general.
Oh, and I didn’t say have sex with anyone.
 

Hevosmies

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Actually, it was a sound recommendation, preferably with a woman you will spend the rest of your life with. I seriously doubt that he was promoting a casual sexual encounter.
then using a plular "WOMEN" should be avoided.

Not sure you are aware, but there is a LOOSE definition of the word fornication being taught by many today(where its only related to idolatry). And I was interested if this was one case of such. IF NOT, i apologize.

If yes: i would like to see the justification for that position.
 

tourist

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then using a plular "WOMEN" should be avoided.

Not sure you are aware, but there is a LOOSE definition of the word fornication being taught by many today(where its only related to idolatry). And I was interested if this was one case of such. IF NOT, i apologize.

If yes: i would like to see the justification for that position.
Perhaps the post could have been worded as you suggested to avoid confusion and add clarity but I am sure the intent was to simply provide helpful counsel.