Vaccination

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Enoch987

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LaVieEnRose, you were right to ask me to check sources so I searched for Swine Flue Deaths 1976 and Swine Flu Vaccine Deaths 1976.
10,000 did not die from the Swine Flu vaccine 1976 but there were 25 deaths and 500 developed Guilliane Berre (pronounced ge on beray).
There was one death from Swine Flu at Fort Dix. Swine Flu resembled the 1918 Spanish Flu.
A link for Spanish Flu in the article said soldiers who were war weary, tired, low on nutrition were given the flu vaccine before they returned home. Likely they developed the flu and gave it to their families.
Now, should the individual decide on whether to take the vaccines or should the government mandates / school admission policy decide?
It usually comes down to democracy, the majority makes the rules.
In this world of fake news you have every right to doubt my sources.
 
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CandieM

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Now, should the individual decide on whether to take the vaccines or should the government mandates / school admission policy decide?
It usually comes down to democracy, the majority makes the rules.
In this world of fake news you have every right to doubt my sources.
This is what scares me so badly. In fact, it scares me so badly that I can't stop thinking about it and it disturbs me on a daily basis. Not being able to make decisions for the body that I live in terrifies me. Hey, I have to live in this thing. "Why do people think that they own me?" Asked myself that today. Wish I could get this out of my head, but I can't. When medicine becomes about profit and control, then medicine ceases to help people.
 
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LaVieEnRose

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This is what scares me so badly. In fact, it scares me so badly that I can't stop thinking about it and it disturbs me on a daily basis. Not being able to make decisions for the body that I live in terrifies me. Hey, I have to live in this thing. "Why do people think that they own me?" Asked myself that today. Wish I could get this out of my head, but I can't. When medicine becomes about profit and control, then medicine ceases to help people.
Hey, it’s not a law. People can choose not to be vaccinated. Please try not to worry about it. No one is going to make you get vaccinated. Pro vaxxers like myself are just trying to get people to see the science about why vaccinations and modern medicine are good and benefit humanity. There are no laws saying you must be vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Please try not to dwell on this. You have complete control over the medical decisions for yourself.
 
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CandieM

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Hey, it’s not a law. People can choose not to be vaccinated. Please try not to worry about it. No one is going to make you get vaccinated. Pro vaxxers like myself are just trying to get people to see the science about why vaccinations and modern medicine are good and benefit humanity. There are no laws saying you must be vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Please try not to dwell on this. You have complete control over the medical decisions for yourself.
For now.
 
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Mrsmom

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I vaccinate my son who is 6.

I think of mark 16.18" they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

I believe that God can protect me from anything. Even a vaccination. The wind and waves still know his voice and listen. My little body is no different.
 

JosephsDreams

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Get vaccinated, people. We need herd immunity. Good Lord, do you REALLY want smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, etc. to make a come back? I have every vaccination I can get, and am only slightly crazy. But I sure won’t give your kids measles or hepatitis by sneezing on them.
Your saved and lost at the same time.
 

JosephsDreams

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This is what scares me so badly. In fact, it scares me so badly that I can't stop thinking about it and it disturbs me on a daily basis. Not being able to make decisions for the body that I live in terrifies me. Hey, I have to live in this thing. "Why do people think that they own me?" Asked myself that today. Wish I could get this out of my head, but I can't. When medicine becomes about profit and control, then medicine ceases to help people.
And Its the Democrats who are more pro vaccinations.
Isn't the devilish irony just stunning?
The same group of deviants who prosttelize about the womans freedom over her own body
 

JosephsDreams

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Hey, it’s not a law. People can choose not to be vaccinated. Please try not to worry about it. No one is going to make you get vaccinated. Pro vaxxers like myself are just trying to get people to see the science about why vaccinations and modern medicine are good and benefit humanity. There are no laws saying you must be vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Please try not to dwell on this. You have complete control over the medical decisions for yourself.
Not in NY and California
 

JosephsDreams

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Hey, it’s not a law. People can choose not to be vaccinated. Please try not to worry about it. No one is going to make you get vaccinated. Pro vaxxers like myself are just trying to get people to see the science about why vaccinations and modern medicine are good and benefit humanity. There are no laws saying you must be vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Please try not to dwell on this. You have complete control over the medical decisions for yourself.
Are you also ok with pro abortion laws
 

JosephsDreams

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I vaccinate my son who is 6.

I think of mark 16.18" they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

I believe that God can protect me from anything. Even a vaccination. The wind and waves still know his voice and listen. My little body is no different.
So you can violate any natural law, the same ones God made, BTW, and need not worry?
I'm interested in nutrition.
If you can show me a way to violate Gods natural laws regarding what to eat, i.e., I can eat any junk I want without any ill biological side effects, I'd love to hear it.
I haven't had a Lays potato chip in 29 years and wouldn't mind a few this summer.
 

JosephsDreams

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This should be interesting. Let me get the popcorn out.
Oh wait, I forgot, I dont eat popcorn...
 
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JD,
we think we might be able to out-do you, i've never been to a 'star-bucks' or have a 'cell-phone,
or own a 'boob-tube'! - we haven't been to a 'game or movie for decades', OK, your turn!
any counter claims'???
:):)
 

JosephsDreams

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JD,
we think we might be able to out-do you, i've never been to a 'star-bucks' or have a 'cell-phone,
or own a 'boob-tube'! - we haven't been to a 'game or movie for decades', OK, your turn!
any counter claims'???
:):)
You got me beat.
Let me see...I haven't used deodorant in 27 years?
I have shoes with leather soles that I usually wear in the summer to ground to the earth?
Aww what's the sense. Its not even close.
OTN is the champ!!
Well deserved.
Carry on.
 
Feb 28, 2016
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if you insist, hub and I lived for around (7)yrs. without electricity,
needless to say, these were some interesting times!!!LOL...
:):)
 

Atlantis88

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I don't know about poisons but I've heard there is a conspiracy behind vaccines. The illuminati is possibly behind vaccinations. I don't know what is their motive but maybe it is not only about money.
 

Atlantis88

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I don't know about poisons but I've heard there is a conspiracy behind vaccines. The Illuminati is possibly behind vaccinations. I don't know what is their motive but maybe it is not only about money.
Every Christian should check the ingredients in Vaccines. There is GMO aborted Fetal tissue and heavy metals I would not take it if my life depends on it , still believe in Devine Healing.
 
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tasha66

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I'm a Registered Vaccination Provider in my country, for children, babies and adults. I also do overseas vaccinations as well.
Once again, the continued, global misinformation re this subject astounds me. The so-called, self-appointed 'expert' stars like Jim Carrey and his wife who stir up trouble on the internet and others, are filled with useless, hysterical hyperbole, and incorrect facts.

Here are some BASIC facts re vaccination:
1) Vaccinations DO NOT STOP diseases. They only lessen symptoms to the point where you have very little symptoms, or don't have any symptoms at all.
2) Flu vaccinations are grown in chicken eggs, and are only given for the 4 main influenza viruses currently circulating around the world. There is currently a quadrivalent flu vaccine, but because the flu virus changes literally every minute, and there are literally hundreds of flu viruses around the world, the flu injection can only be tailored to fight the MAIN flu viruses present today.
2a) You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccination, as it is a killed virus. To give you a live flu virus would more than likely kill you. The flu virus hibernates, so more than likely, people get flu like symptoms after having the flu vaccination, because they have already picked up the flu virus from somewhere. Or you might have a bit of an allergic reaction, or you think you have flu, but it might be something else (go see the doc if you do get sick anyway is my advice).
3) There is currently no evidence that vaccinations in childhood cause autism. There have literally been thousands of independent studies done in many different countries, with the same conclusion. That's not to say we haven't found a cause for autism, such as a protein or something, that perhaps could be activated at a certain age - nobody knows what causes autism, so it's all still a mystery.
4) It is better to have your child vaccinated than not at all. Many people may not be aware but childhood diseases such as measles & chicken pox, etc still cause deaths in many poor countries. I have seen kids come into the PICU (paediatric ICU) and Emergency, deathly ill with these diseases, due to not being vaccinated or having missed vaccinations. Some of them die. You do NOT want to see a child fitting from a high temperature, with their eyes rolling back into their head, dying before your eyes, with the mother screaming beside you to DO SOMETHING and save her child (that particular child thankfully pulled through in the end).
5) Vaccinations can cause allergic reactions in anyone at anytime, even if they have had that vaccination before. Allergic reactions can happen with any medication at any time at any age.
6) Vaccinations are made, stored and transported under very strict conditions. They come with inbuilt temperature guages when they are delivered, are stored in special fridges, and there are very strict time guidelines for giving them. Any vaccinations not stored correctly or not given within a certain time limit, are immediately discarded.
7) Vaccinations cannot overdose your child, even if they have two vaccinations of the same things by accident. All medications and vaccinations (in Australia at least), are made in what we call THERAPEUTIC DOSES. This means that a 2nd dose given by mistake is still within the accepted therapeutic range. The biggest problem with giving added doses by accident means a child can get a very high temperature - observation and giving temp lowering medication is the best way to treat this.
7) Although some parents get away with not having their kids vaccinated, it is better to get about 80 - 90% of the whole population vaccinated - this is called HERD vaccination. It means that if everybody is pretty much vaccinated against disease, it will be rare that these diseases will break out. This means diseases can't spread as easily.
8) If you choose NOT to vaccinate your child, or take them to a 'measles party' for example, your child could possibly catch a more highly virulent strain of that particular virus, which produces worse & killer symptoms. Viruses are highly adaptive, and viruses like the measles and chicken pox ones are becoming more resistant every year, and producing worse & more deadly symptoms than before. As a parent, you might not be so lucky next time hoping that your precious baby just catches a 'little dose' of measles. Chicken pox and/or measles can cause blindness, hearing loss or deafness, and if chicken pox is caught in adults, can cause sterility. It can also metamorphose later into shingles - an extremely painful nervous disease, for which there is no cure.
9) Even if you do get vaccinated, you can still catch the same disease and get symptoms from it. This is because some disease strains such as TB are becoming more virulent, your immune system 'forgets' that particular disease, or your immune system is failing. This is also why we give boosters for some immunisations, to 'wake up' your immune system.
10) In most cases, once you are given a vaccination, your body produces antibodies, and these are the 'memory cells' to help you fight that particular infection if you get it again (but it's way more complicated than that.....). Vaccinations are therefore termed as 'antigens'.
11) You can have what are called catch-up vaccinations at any time during your life. Many are free Down Under. So don't think it's ever too late to have your vaccinations!
12) Always consult your vaccination specialist before travelling overseas.
13) Many vaccines are dead or 'killed', because to give them live to humans would kill you, or make you very ill. Some vaccinations can only be given as live vaccines, or they won't work. Yes, some do have such things like formaldehyde in them, but these types of additives are used as stabilising agents only and are miniscule, so they won't harm you, unless you know that you are allergic to them. Stabilising agents are needed to help vaccines survive transport, heat or cold, etc, or to make them mix better for usage in humans. Vaccinations are very, very delicate and need to be handled with extreme care.
14) Vaccinations are never tested on babies or children by law - they are usually tested on piglets, as piglets have the closest DNA to us, or mice. (Monkeys used to be used, but this is banned now). Some vaccines are tested on adults, but only those who volunteer, and the volunteers are very closely monitored for side effects.

If we had no immune systems, we would be dead from the first sneeze directed at us, or from a small cut on our hand.

Our immune systems are truly amazing things, we should thank God every day for having such a wonderful defence system for our bodies!
 
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tasha66

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Spanish flu after WW1 was caused by the soldiers' vaccinated in Europe before they returned home.
Some people have gotten polio from the vaccine here in the USA.
In the past few years, they vaccinated girls only in Ethopia and Kenya for tetnus.
When the girls reached puberty, the vaccine made them sterile. Look it up on an internet search.
India stopped the vaccination for polio because it caused paralysis, in other words, the vaccine caused polio.
Herd immunity is an admission that the vaccine is not 100% effective.
Doctors will say the vaccines are statistically safe.
That means they are not 100% safe.
The reason for increased autism is vaccines and use of plastic food and water containers.
- First post re the flu please put a link on here as it doesn't even make sense. Flu can hibernate before modern or older type vaccines are given, so many times, people already have the flu virus circulating in their system. In ancient times, saliva was smeared into open wounds, in the hope that immunity would follow. There are hundreds if not thousands of different types of flu viruses circulating around the globe.
- Only the old Sabine polio vaccine gave people polio, as it was a live vaccine. It was too strong and not properly calibrated, or given. There are only polio-like diseases reported in some countries, and diseases can mutate all the time. The polio virus has probably mutated like TB around the world. Therefore, our current vaccinations may not be as effective as they were. However you would still get vaccinated, as it's always better to be vaccinated than not.
- Tetanus, or more commonly known as ADT (Adult Diphtheria Tetanus) vaccine does not cause sterility. They may have had the vaccine, them got sterile from something else. You, like many people, are conflating the two as 'one must have caused the other' - please post an evidential link on here to support what you say.
- If vaccines are not given, handled or sterilised correctly, or not given at the right temperature, they can cause problems or not be effective, or not as effective. You're conflating the two yet again, saying paralysis was caused; where is the evidential link? Those girls may have already contracted polio before being given the vaccine.
- No vaccination is 100% safe. Vaccination does not stop disease; it only lessens symptoms of the disease.
- It is impossible to achieve 100% herd immunity, as that means every single person on the planet would be vaccinated. Herd immunity can be achieved when 80 - 90% of the population are vaccinated. Please post an evidential link to support your claim.
- Vaccines are in the main statistically safe. If they weren't what would be the point in giving them at all? Our own government doesn't make money from vaccines - many of ours are completely free.
- There have been thousands of independent studies done by different researchers in many countries, re autism and vaccinations. There has been no link found so far. There may be theories as you state, but plastic & food containers etc is not EVIDENCE of a causes of autism. Nobody knows what causes autism.