Vaccination

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Atlantis88

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- First post re the flu please put a link on here as it doesn't even make sense. Flu can hibernate before modern or older type vaccines are given, so many times, people already have the flu virus circulating in their system. In ancient times, saliva was smeared into open wounds, in the hope that immunity would follow. There are hundreds if not thousands of different types of flu viruses circulating around the globe.
- Only the old Sabine polio vaccine gave people polio, as it was a live vaccine. It was too strong and not properly calibrated, or given. There are only polio-like diseases reported in some countries, and diseases can mutate all the time. The polio virus has probably mutated like TB around the world. Therefore, our current vaccinations may not be as effective as they were. However you would still get vaccinated, as it's always better to be vaccinated than not.
- Tetanus, or more commonly known as ADT (Adult Diphtheria Tetanus) vaccine does not cause sterility. They may have had the vaccine, them got sterile from something else. You, like many people, are conflating the two as 'one must have caused the other' - please post an evidential link on here to support what you say.
- If vaccines are not given, handled or sterilised correctly, or not given at the right temperature, they can cause problems or not be effective, or not as effective. You're conflating the two yet again, saying paralysis was caused; where is the evidential link? Those girls may have already contracted polio before being given the vaccine.
- No vaccination is 100% safe. Vaccination does not stop disease; it only lessens symptoms of the disease.
- It is impossible to achieve 100% herd immunity, as that means every single person on the planet would be vaccinated. Herd immunity can be achieved when 80 - 90% of the population are vaccinated. Please post an evidential link to support your claim.
- Vaccines are in the main statistically safe. If they weren't what would be the point in giving them at all? Our own government doesn't make money from vaccines - many of ours are completely free.
- There have been thousands of independent studies done by different researchers in many countries, re autism and vaccinations. There has been no link found so far. There may be theories as you state, but plastic & food containers etc is not EVIDENCE of a causes of autism. Nobody knows what causes autism.
Are you a Christian? I dont think Jesus would make us inject, aborded cells or heavy metals to His Temple.I have a medical degree and am not against vaccines but it's content. chickens were used a LONG time ago and maybe it is still used in Europe.
 

ArtsieSteph

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Don’t know about that. Just know that the more I follow the regiment for vaccines, the less I get people who are more easily affected sick.

I only vaccinate if it’s needed.
 

oldethennew

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when you vac, - you are essentinally putting/allowing 'virus-bacteria' into your body that has NEVER
been there before, as far as your immune system has had to 'deal with'!, that you know of or that
your body has had to deal with...
 

tourist

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Don’t know about that. Just know that the more I follow the regiment for vaccines, the less I get people who are more easily affected sick.

I only vaccinate if it’s needed.
When I entered the US military I was ordered to get every vaccinated against every disease known to man.
 

oldethennew

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hub and I had a 'flu' vaccine around 99' or 2000' - we have never had any kind of 'flu' since, and we
really don't think that we will - I must say, that most of the ones that we know who do 'get' the 'flu-shot'
every year, (get-the-flu) seriously' - and if not the actual 'flu', something very akin to it and become
extremely sick for many days and immediately go to the doctor and get those 'packs or some kind
of antibiotics, which, by the way, takes them several days using them to start to even begin to
over-come their symptoms and, often have to go back for more!!!
ya'll think about this and reflect upon your own experiences and see what you come up with to share...

we both went to the doctor today for our yearly-blood-work, because of insurance only,
and one of his nurses came up to us and asked us if we have had our 'flu-shot' yet -
we told her our 'history' above, and she told us that she HAS to have a flu shot every year and of course,
we knew that was because she was TOLD to do this simply because she is in the Medical Business -
sad but true!!!
 

JosephsDreams

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Anyone interested in the protocol for limiting the insidious damage vaccinations do, PM me.
BTW, the day is coming when all teachers and seniors will have to take vaccinations. God help us all.
 

oldethennew

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the only vacs that I have had were as a child when I entered the system and had no choice -
got every one of the diseases to a terrible outcome = scars, etc...

the last vac hub and I had was in 1999, what was said was a 'flu' vac...

on the whole, every one that we have known since that time who has continued to take the flu vac
every year has had the flu or many of the terrible systems -

we, on the other hand, have 'never' had the flu or any flu symptom since we only had the one vac,
'which I might add, we wish we had never partaken of'...

just sharing, not saying what we chose for ourselves is for any one else, this is just our story...
 

oldethennew

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just want to say, that since hub and I have turned a 'certain age ', we have been inundated with mail and through our
pm doctors, and insurance, + funeral-home ads, to submit to everything from our 'bottoms up to our tops' to be analyzed,
to just 'come on in'!!! =
and we will tell you all that they say we need to do to follow the 'brave-new-world' statement
that requests us to partake of every kind of procedure that they say we will ever need to 'live longer, better'!!!???

do your home-work -don't be 'duped' into 'the false-healing-system'...

Follow God's Ways, for He has given us all what we need in order to live a healthy life'...
or, on the other hand, perhaps He just wants to call us out of this viper's pit and let us free...

just as an aside = we, Hub and myself would long ago be 'dead' if we had not changed our old-man's-lifestyle...
 

bojack

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I'm not a vaccine guy except the ones that have been around before abortion on demand ..
 

von1

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I been getting vaccines since i was a small kid. I guess all my shots are up to date, if I need another one I will take it.
 

shrimp

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There are alternatives to many vaccinations.
 

Moses_Young

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There are alternatives to many vaccinations.
I mean, how rare are most of the so-called vaccine preventable diseases now, anyway? In my opinion, there is a greater chance of getting autism from a vaccine, than dying from one of the diseases vaccines are supposed to prevent.
 

Billyd

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I almost lost my life to the flu in 1985. I had stopped taking my flu shot in 1980 because it always made me feel like I had the flu for a few days afterwards. My doctor told me after I recovered from the flu "you now know the difference between the flu and the side effects of the flu shot. If you don't want to spend another few weeks in the hospital, you'll take your flu shot next year." I take my flu shot every October since, and praise God I haven't had the flu since.

Thank God for the vaccines that prevent the diseases of my childhood. All my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren have not had to suffer through those diseases.

I pray that every person who refuses to be vaccinated never has to suffer through a preventable disease.
 

Godsgirl83

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I mean, how rare are most of the so-called vaccine preventable diseases now, anyway? In my opinion, there is a greater chance of getting autism from a vaccine, than dying from one of the diseases vaccines are supposed to prevent.
vaccines do not cause autism. that is being proven more and more as these parents who refuse to vaccinate for that very reason are having unvaccinated children who are autistic.
 

Moses_Young

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I almost lost my life to the flu in 1985. I had stopped taking my flu shot in 1980 because it always made me feel like I had the flu for a few days afterwards. My doctor told me after I recovered from the flu "you now know the difference between the flu and the side effects of the flu shot. If you don't want to spend another few weeks in the hospital, you'll take your flu shot next year." I take my flu shot every October since, and praise God I haven't had the flu since.
I have to say, I find this hard to believe, as 35 years worth of vaccinations is sure to take its toll. Have you had multiple cancers or other debilitating diseases? Have you really not had any sickness since 1985?

Thank God for the vaccines that prevent the diseases of my childhood. All my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren have not had to suffer through those diseases.
You thank God for the vaccines. I thank Him for the clean drinking water and electricity, which knocked all the so-called vaccine-preventable diseases on the head way before mass-vaccination schedules were introduced.

I pray that every person who refuses to be vaccinated never has to suffer through a preventable disease.
What about every person who is vaccinated? My understanding is that the vaccinated are more at risk than the unvaccinated. For an example, look at the recent spread of polio that vaccination has caused in India.

vaccines do not cause autism. that is being proven more and more as these parents who refuse to vaccinate for that very reason are having unvaccinated children who are autistic.
This is the black-or-white logical fallacy. Just because vaccines cause autism (due to the mercury and/or aluminium content and its effect on the brain), this doesn't mean other, non-vaccine sources of mercury and aluminium cannot also cause autism.
 

Billyd

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I have to say, I find this hard to believe, as 35 years worth of vaccinations is sure to take its toll. Have you had multiple cancers or other debilitating diseases? Have you really not had any sickness since 1985?

You thank God for the vaccines. I thank Him for the clean drinking water and electricity, which knocked all the so-called vaccine-preventable diseases on the head way before mass-vaccination schedules were introduced.

What about every person who is vaccinated? My understanding is that the vaccinated are more at risk than the unvaccinated. For an example, look at the recent spread of polio that vaccination has caused in India.

This is the black-or-white logical fallacy. Just because vaccines cause autism (due to the mercury and/or aluminium content and its effect on the brain), this doesn't mean other, non-vaccine sources of mercury and aluminium cannot also cause autism.
To set the record straight. I have not had a disease that I have been vaccinated for.

You thank God for clean water and electricity. Why not the ability to be vaccinated to prevent debilitating diseases?

My son-in-law is from India. He said that the vaccination against most diseases, including polio, rate is very low. India's population is much more at risk from environmental diseases than they are from injuries from vaccinations.

How do you explain my cousin's death from Cancer? He was diagnosed with Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 41. He never smoked. He never drank. He never used drugs. He refused to be vaccinated. He was a devout Christian much like you. He refused to accept treatment of any kind, including chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant. He died at age 43.

Don't limit God. His healing comes from more than clean water and electricity.
 

Moses_Young

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I'll say it again, let me rephrase it this time:
autism is not caused by vaccines.
You can say it as many times as you like. Your beliefs do not alter reality in the slightest.

There are a good many parents of autistic children who know that vaccines do cause autism, and a good deal more people who have learned from the tragic stories of these, who likewise know that vaccines cause autism. A doctor lost his job just for linking the two. Touchy bunch, those big pharmaceutical companies, if you believe the truth is on their side...
 

Moses_Young

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To set the record straight. I have not had a disease that I have been vaccinated for.
There are not many stories like yours.

You thank God for clean water and electricity. Why not the ability to be vaccinated to prevent debilitating diseases?
I may as well thank God for talismans and medallions that ward off evil spirits. I don't believe vaccines are of God, nor do I believe they prevent debilitating diseases. In actuality, vaccines cause disease and death.

My son-in-law is from India. He said that the vaccination against most diseases, including polio, rate is very low. India's population is much more at risk from environmental diseases than they are from injuries from vaccinations.
What does he say about the class action against Bill and Melinda Gates for causing polio with their vaccine that was supposed to prevent it?

How do you explain my cousin's death from Cancer? He was diagnosed with Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 41. He never smoked. He never drank. He never used drugs. He refused to be vaccinated. He was a devout Christian much like you. He refused to accept treatment of any kind, including chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant. He died at age 43.
We all die eventually. There are many causes. But vaccines accelerate those causes. The life is in the blood, and vaccines corrupt the blood.

Don't limit God. His healing comes from more than clean water and electricity.
I agree. But I don't agree that vaccines are something to be especially thankful for, anymore than smoking, alcohol or drugs.