GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

So you don't believe in death bed conversion. So how long before die, require for a man to repent to make him save?

Can you give a verse to support what your believe?

another reason why I will never accept your religion- I would have to believe that Proverbs is law, when it is not even commands, just wise saying.

and that Solomon was a prophet, which of course is one of your ( wrong ) opinions , not backed up by any Scripture any more that gentiles were told to go to synagogue when that was not even written in the Acts 15 letter.

Do you believe a man should wait until his death to honor the Christ?

No, any time a man repent He will forgive and save, do not need to wait, but if happen a man accept Jesus a second before he die, he is save.

The Bible say, for God love the world he give His only begotten Son, whosoever believe in Him will be save, no requirement how long before die

13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

But what about if I like my sinful life, and I hear about Jesus but want to wait until after the party is over, or wait until after I bury my father? Can I wait until I am older and all worn out, and then repent?

But what about if I like my sinful life, and I hear about Jesus but want to wait until after the party is over, or wait until after I bury my father? Can I wait until I am older and all worn out, and then repent?

This verse is popular with folks who like to believe man can live as they want their entire life, and on their death bed, "accept Jesus" and they are saved and will be awarded eternal life. "Death bed Conversion" it's called.

I don't believe that was the message of the story. I believe this man "Repented", "turned to God" and did "works" Worthy of repentance even if these works were only acknowledging the Christ as who He was.

He Humbled Himself to the Son of God, he didn't even ask to be saved. That kind of humility come from God's Spirit, not from Mans. There is more to this story IMO.

But there is no more proof than what he said. That he knew Jesus didn't do anything to deserve this treatment, even though the entire mainstream preachers and those who followed them was yelling "crucify Him". It seems obvious there is more to the story. IMO.

The theif on the cross is a simple demonstration of the Gospel and the role of the law of God that brings us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

Yes, they will claim Jesus is the Messiah. It doesn't say;

Many will come in my name. They will claim, ‘They are the Messiah!’ They will fool many people.

It says; Many will come in my name. They will claim, ‘I (Jesus the Christ) am the Messiah!’ They will fool many people.

How many folks could you deceive today if you went on this forum telling folks you were Jesus?

But how many folks could a person deceive if they claimed to come in the Name of Christ, and they taught that Jesus was truly the Messiah?

How can I both "Come in Jesus' name, and also Claim I am Jesus?


This is why the Bible says to "Come out of her my people". By the great mercies of the Word which became Flesh, He, as he promised, has freed me from the deception and death which the Broad Path brings.

I'm not ashamed for trying to help other brothers to escape her as well. Even if I know I will be ridiculed and scorned for doing so.

And thereafter live by faith, not by law.

"It says; Many will come in my name. They will claim, ‘I (Jesus the Christ) am the Messiah!’ They will fool many people."
I'm glad you accept the sentence:
They will claim, ‘I am the Messiah!’
though I think the part in parentheses:
(Jesus the Christ)
is unwarranted in that sentence.
to see why, let's look at these two sentences:
Mom says I am a good reader.
Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'
as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?

let's resolve that issue, then we can discuss the rest of your post.

"It says; Many will come in my name. They will claim, ‘I (Jesus the Christ) am the Messiah!’ They will fool many people."


I'm glad you accept the sentence:
They will claim, ‘I am the Messiah!’

though I think the part in parentheses:
(Jesus the Christ)
is unwarranted in that sentence.


to see why, let's look at these two sentences:

Mom says I am a good reader.

Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'

as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?



let's resolve that issue, then we can discuss the rest of your post.

That issue can only be "resolved" via context. Jesus was responding to one of 3 questions that the disciples asked him. To which was he responding? The destruction of the temple? The end of the Jewish age? The sign of his coming?

IMO the context has to be determined by his choice of words in which he tells them personally to be on guard against people claiming to be the anointed one, and the ubiquitous cultural view at that time that the anointed one would deliver Israel from the Romans. Also, this warning is the first thing he said, which correlates with the first question they asked: "When will the temple be destroyed?"

That is the Catholic doctrine.

I made the case for the meaning of this scriptures, I gave many different translations of the scripture. I posted other verses which support the theme, I asked relevant questions to which you guys didn't acknowledge.

There are real life examples of this truth by the thousands. I haven't even started talking about the pedophiles who have come in Christ's name, teaching Jesus is truly the Christ, but are really there to prey on little boys. Wouldn't this be an example of someone to "Take heed of".

It is absurd to claim that Jesus is only warning about men who claim to be God.

No need to continue this conversation if you can't even acknowledge what has plagued mankind since the serpent used God's Word to deceive Eve.

The RCC may embrace that doctrine, but it is by no means a Catholic doctrine. It is a preterist doctrine.

it's a simple question.

two sentences:

Mom says I am a good reader.

Mom says, 'I am a good reader.'

as you read things, do those two sentences above have the same meaning?


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your refusal to answer leads me to suspect, and I say this with all gentleness, that you have limited reading ability.

that doesn't mean that you aren't deeply spiritual, or that you aren't sincere in seeking after God.


I suspect then, again gently, that many of your teachings are based on a lack of reading ability.

My post explains my reasoning.

W


That certainly is a possibly, maybe I am just not capable. I have considered this as well. No doubt I am a nobody.

But maybe Jesus is just right, and maybe it isn't the Jews His people needed to worry about in the future, maybe it is those who "disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ" as Paul also warned. It is suspicious to me how you ignore the other scriptures which mirror what Jesus warned about in Matt. 24. I might gently suggest that it is more important to understand what is being taught than it is to preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation.

You are free to shop translations until you find one that fits your religious tradition. But my understanding of this scripture is gained through out the study of several translations, the other warnings regarding the same subject, and real life experiences with "MANY" who Come in Christ's name, and who preach Jesus is truly the Christ, but have proven to be deceivers. You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs.

If you want to create your doctrine around one comma, in a new age translation, you are free to do so. But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" IMO.

it is more important to understand what is being taught than it is to preserve ancient religious tradition

My post explains my reasoning.

W


That certainly is a possibly, maybe I am just not capable. I have considered this as well. No doubt I am a nobody.

But maybe Jesus is just right, and maybe it isn't the Jews His people needed to worry about in the future, maybe it is those who "disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ" as Paul also warned. It is suspicious to me how you ignore the other scriptures which mirror what Jesus warned about in Matt. 24. I might gently suggest that it is more important to understand what is being taught than it is to preserve ancient religious tradition, which seems to be your motivation.

You are free to shop translations until you find one that fits your religious tradition. But my understanding of this scripture is gained through out the study of several translations, the other warnings regarding the same subject, and real life experiences with "MANY" who Come in Christ's name, and who preach Jesus is truly the Christ, but have proven to be deceivers. You are free to ignore the support I post for my beliefs.

If you want to create your doctrine around one comma, in a new age translation, you are free to do so. But my choice to include the Whole Bible, different translations, and real life experiences doesn't equate to "Lack of reading ability" IMO.