Strong Women In Today's World

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Webers.Home

Webers.Home

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● Gen 2:22b . . and God introduced her to the man.

Why wasn't Eve given a chance to fit in with the animals before introducing
her to Adam? Well, I think it's because men can make do with a soccer ball
named Wilson if they have to; but normal women, as a rule, can't, nor want
to.

Men and Women share a lot of similarities; but the resolve to go it solo, to
be a rugged individual, is not one of them. There are exceptions, of course;
but as a rule, women do not care to live alone and unloved in the world. It's
curious, but when we think of a recluse; our minds typically think of them as
male because female hermits just seem so contrary to nature.

Shaunti Feldhahn, author of "For Women Only" relates a survey taken
among segregated groups of men and women with this question:

Given a choice; would you rather be disrespected, or would you rather be
alone and unloved in the world?

The majority of the ladies chose disrespect rather than living alone and
unloved in the world while the majority of the men chose to live alone and
unloved rather than be disrespected. Women unaware of how important
respect is to men, have no trouble making their marriages a living hell
for husbands.

● Eph 5:33b . . The wife must respect her husband.

Wives don't especially have to like their husbands in order to respect them.
A show of respect will do in lieu of felt respect. In other words: the strong
Christian wife would do well to stifle the disgust she feels for her husband
and be civil.

I overheard a female caller on radio imperiously announcing to Dr. Laura
that she couldn't respect her husband. So Dr. Laura asked her why. The
caller responded: Because he hasn't earned my respect. So Laura asked the
caller: Have you earned your husband's love? The caller retorted: I don't
have to earn his love. It's a husband's duty to love his wife just as she is.

So Laura pointed out that the caller was practicing a double standard. She
demanded that her husband love her unconditionally, while refusing to
respect him unconditionally. And on top of that; had the despotic chutzpah
to dictate the rules of engagement regardless of how her husband might feel
about it.

Ergo: a strong Christian woman will respect her husband in spite of his
faults; while a strong woman from hell takes pleasure in pointing them out.
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Miri

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You know I think I get it now.

Some men get their kicks from being told off by women don’t they....
There probably is a name for it...lol
 
Dino246

Dino246

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Webers.Home said:
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Ergo: a strong Christian woman will respect her husband in spite of his
faults; while a strong woman from hell takes pleasure in pointing them out.
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A strong man will rise to the challenge presented to him, while a weak man will dodge, cower, and avoid.

Which are you? So far you've done nothing but avoid the challenge and continued to throw shade.
 
Angela53510

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So Weber, are you married?

I’d like to pray for the poor woman, if there is one!

As for the rest of your ridiculous answers, wrong stats, bad theology and utter nonsense, there isn’t enough time in a day to correct you. I hope God does, sooner or later, or you will be the one in hell, for your anger and hate towards half the human race!
 
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Stunnedbygrace

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Webers.Home said:
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● Gen 3:16 . . and he shall rule over you.

That is probably one of the most hated verses in the whole Bible. Eve's
daughters do not like to be subjugated to and/or dominated by men. It
really goes against their grain; and if the women's suffrage movement that
took place in America's early 1900's were to be thoroughly analyzed, it
would not surprise me that women's right to vote wasn't really an equality
issue: it was a rebellion against male domination; which of course is to be
expected in a world gone mad with evil.

The current "strong woman" attitude is no doubt another aspect of that
same kind of rebellion; which in reality is not only a standing up to men, but
also a standing up to God seeing as how Gen 3:16 is a divine order rather
than human.

Gen 3:16 isn't restricted to marriage. It regulates women's place in Christian
churches too-- all Christian churches.

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the
churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the
Law says." (1Cor 14:33-35)

"Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. I do not
allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain
quiet." (1Tim 2:11-15)

How long the Adams cohabited sans the imposition of a gender hierarchy
isn't stated; but apparently there was no evident need for it prior to the
forbidden fruit incident; just as there was no evident need of a suitable
companion for Adam till he failed to find one from among the animal
kingdom.

My guess is that the measure is mostly to discourage wives from making
life-changing decisions on their own, independent of their husband's feelings
about it. I mean; if Eve had first consulted with her husband to see what he
thought of the Serpent's discussion before tasting the fruit, things may have
turned out quite differently.
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calibob

calibob

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Did it occur to anyone that Adam stood by and let Eve try the fruit first and when She didn't drop dead he determined it was safe enough to eat? Kind of like a kings food tester.
 
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whatev

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Webers.Home said:
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● Gen 2:22b . . and God introduced her to the man.

Why wasn't Eve given a chance to fit in with the animals before introducing
her to Adam? Well, I think it's because men can make do with a soccer ball
named Wilson if they have to; but normal women, as a rule, can't, nor want
to.

Men and Women share a lot of similarities; but the resolve to go it solo, to
be a rugged individual, is not one of them. There are exceptions, of course;
but as a rule, women do not care to live alone and unloved in the world. It's
curious, but when we think of a recluse; our minds typically think of them as
male because female hermits just seem so contrary to nature.

Shaunti Feldhahn, author of "For Women Only" relates a survey taken
among segregated groups of men and women with this question:

Given a choice; would you rather be disrespected, or would you rather be
alone and unloved in the world?

The majority of the ladies chose disrespect rather than living alone and
unloved in the world while the majority of the men chose to live alone and
unloved rather than be disrespected. Women unaware of how important
respect is to men, have no trouble making their marriages a living hell
for husbands.

● Eph 5:33b . . The wife must respect her husband.

Wives don't especially have to like their husbands in order to respect them.
A show of respect will do in lieu of felt respect. In other words: the strong
Christian wife would do well to stifle the disgust she feels for her husband
and be civil.

I overheard a female caller on radio imperiously announcing to Dr. Laura
that she couldn't respect her husband. So Dr. Laura asked her why. The
caller responded: Because he hasn't earned my respect. So Laura asked the
caller: Have you earned your husband's love? The caller retorted: I don't
have to earn his love. It's a husband's duty to love his wife just as she is.

So Laura pointed out that the caller was practicing a double standard. She
demanded that her husband love her unconditionally, while refusing to
respect him unconditionally. And on top of that; had the despotic chutzpah
to dictate the rules of engagement regardless of how her husband might feel
about it.

Ergo: a strong Christian woman will respect her husband in spite of his
faults; while a strong woman from hell takes pleasure in pointing them out.
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A new dating strategy offered by Weber: Before going out on a date, make sure you fit in with the animals.
 
melita916

melita916

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I thank God I married a man who is not intimidated by my strengths, intelligence, talents, calling, ministry.
 
Webers.Home

Webers.Home

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My next comments do not apply to John Q and Jane Doe public; nor do they
apply to your average rank and file pew-warming Christians. No; my next
comments are restricted to people "in the Lord" and no others.

● Col 3:18 . .Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in The Lord.

● Eph 5:21-22 . . Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ; wives
to your husbands as to the Lord.

● Eph 5:24 . . Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should
submit to their husbands in everything.

The koiné word for "submit" in those verses is hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so)
which means to subordinate; but we're not talking about an imposed kind of
subordination like in the military; no, what we're talking about here is
"deference" which, in a nutshell, is respect for one's betters as opposed to
demanding equality with one's peers.

According to Eph 5:21 and Phil 2:3, deference is required of everybody in
the Lord regardless of gender and/or status; for sure in Christian marriages.

In other words: wives in the Lord are expected to take the initiative in this
issue and exercise the self control provided by the fruit of the Spirit as per
Gal 5:22-23; viz: the onus is upon them, and no one else, to stifle their
natural female impulses to be stubborn, disagreeable, hysterical,
demanding, and/or domineering.

A deferent wife is gracious, cordial, affable, approachable, temperate, genial,
sociable, ready to turn the other cheek, generous, charitable, altruistic,
tactful, sensitive, sympathetic; and above all she's coherent, reasonable,
and rational rather than incoherent, emotional, and reactive.

Deferent wives don't have to be right all the time. And most importantly,
deferent wives tread lightly on their husband's feelings. (It's amazing the
number of young girls brought up to believe that men are insensitive brutes
who have no more feelings than a tree stump)
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A wife that's independent, quarrelsome, complaining, fault-finding, critical,
chafing, hostile, violent, carping, dominating, manipulating, thin-skinned,
defensive, assertive, aggressive, thoughtless, loud, stubborn, scolding,
lecturing, difficult, cruel, gender-biased, confrontational, constantly
clamoring about empowerment and harboring an "I am woman! Hear me
roar!" mentality is not the Lord's concept of deference. Those are hellish
behaviors; the kind of behaviors to be vigorously shunned and abhorred by
wives in the Lord.
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Dino246

Dino246

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Webers.Home said:
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My next comments do not apply to John Q and Jane Doe public; nor do they
apply to your average rank and file pew-warming Christians. No; my next
comments are restricted to people "in the Lord" and no others.

● Col 3:18 . .Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in The Lord.

● Eph 5:21-22 . . Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ; wives
to your husbands as to the Lord.

● Eph 5:24 . . Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should
submit to their husbands in everything.

According to Eph 5:21 and Phil 2:3, deference is required of everybody in
the Lord regardless of gender and/or status; for sure in Christian marriages.
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Webers.Home, you have not responded to my first post. You have not even made a credible attempt. Yet you keep posting verses out of context with your commentary. Let's have a response, please.

By the way, I'm neither John Q. Public nor a rank-and-file pew-warming churchgoer, much as you may want to characterize me as such.
 
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pjharrison

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Webers.Home said:
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● Gen 3:16 . . and he shall rule over you.

That is probably one of the most hated verses in the whole Bible. Eve's
daughters do not like to be subjugated to and/or dominated by men. It
really goes against their grain; and if the women's suffrage movement that
took place in America's early 1900's were to be thoroughly analyzed, it
would not surprise me that women's right to vote wasn't really an equality
issue: it was a rebellion against male domination; which of course is to be
expected in a world gone mad with evil.

The current "strong woman" attitude is no doubt another aspect of that
same kind of rebellion; which in reality is not only a standing up to men, but
also a standing up to God seeing as how Gen 3:16 is a divine order rather
than human.

Gen 3:16 isn't restricted to marriage. It regulates women's place in Christian
churches too-- all Christian churches.

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the
churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the
Law says." (1Cor 14:33-35)

"Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. I do not
allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain
quiet." (1Tim 2:11-15)

How long the Adams cohabited sans the imposition of a gender hierarchy
isn't stated; but apparently there was no evident need for it prior to the
forbidden fruit incident; just as there was no evident need of a suitable
companion for Adam till he failed to find one from among the animal
kingdom.

My guess is that the measure is mostly to discourage wives from making
life-changing decisions on their own, independent of their husband's feelings
about it. I mean; if Eve had first consulted with her husband to see what he
thought of the Serpent's discussion before tasting the fruit, things may have
turned out quite differently.
_
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women were told not to speak in the body of Christ, because she is in the presence of angels (demons to be exact). Just as Eve was deceive the angels hang around the women in hope to deceive them. Because women are always trying to be the one to make things better. So she is easy pray. But if her husband covers her, he can shied her from some of the firey darts.
 
NotmebutHim

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Women are rebellious because they are human. The same reason that men are rebellious.

Men and women express this rebellion in different ways from one another.

Here's another thing to consider:

In Ephesians, Paul didn't say "wives, obey your husbands". He said "wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord". The husband is supposed to obey the Lord, and the wife is supposed to submit to the husband. By extension, she will be obeying the Lord. In other words, the wife obeys the Lord by submitting to her husband, but she is not commanded to obey her husband directly.

I could be wrong, but the only time that Paul uses the word "obey" in a directive is when he is talking about children and parents..

No, I'm not trying to get brownie points from the ladies by saying that women aren't rebellious; I'm just saying that if you're going to make an assertion and use the Scriptures to back it up, you need to be sure of the verses you're using and their contexts.
 
Dino246

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pjharrison said:
women were told not to speak in the body of Christ, because she is in the presence of angels (demons to be exact). Just as Eve was deceive the angels hang around the women in hope to deceive them. Because women are always trying to be the one to make things better. So she is easy pray. But if her husband covers her, he can shied her from some of the firey darts.
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I would encourage you to check your Scripture references for your statements. You're pulling bits from here and there, and adding your own thoughts. I would also encourage you to do some further study on the passages in question.

One simple question: what of the unmarried adult women?
 
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pjharrison

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Dino246 said:
I would encourage you to check your Scripture references for your statements. You're pulling bits from here and there, and adding your own thoughts. I would also encourage you to do some further study on the passages in question.

One simple question: what of the unmarried adult women?
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Dino246 said:
I would encourage you to check your Scripture references for your statements. You're pulling bits from here and there, and adding your own thoughts. I would also encourage you to do some further study on the passages in question.

One simple question: what of the unmarried adult women?
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The unmarried adult woman can speak if she wants too. She may get a lot of attacks from the devil. Paul said that to help the women.
 
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pjharrison

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pjharrison said:
The unmarried adult woman can speak if she wants too. She may get a lot of attacks from the devil. Paul said that to help the women.
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Any time you want me to show scripture just ask and I will. Some of these things I speak from experience.
 
Dino246

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pjharrison said:
Any time you want me to show scripture just ask and I will. Some of these things I speak from experience.
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Is it your view then that Paul's "restrictions" on women speaking only apply to married women?
 
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Dino246 said:
Is it your view then that Paul's "restrictions" on women speaking only apply to married women?
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Oh please don't say that or no woman will ever get married again...dino, all the men in here will be chasing you to kick your butt because they can't find a wife...:LOL:
 
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pjharrison said:
women were told not to speak in the body of Christ, because she is in the presence of angels (demons to be exact). Just as Eve was deceive the angels hang around the women in hope to deceive them. Because women are always trying to be the one to make things better. So she is easy pray. But if her husband covers her, he can shied her from some of the firey darts.
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You can't be serious...
 
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