Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

So did you just wake up one day and decide that you were elect? Did you actually have a conversion experience or simply arrive at an intellectual conclusion that you are elect and thereby saved?

Did you ever acknowledge your sin before the Lord and ask Him to for give you for your sin?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It seems to me if I were to believe your point of view as a christian father I would like to have a little more reassurance about my children salvation..... Please don't get me wrong but I have total trust and faith in the Lord that He will keep His hand upon my children. I have dedicated them to Him( not at church) but to Him personally... I truly believe I will answer to the Lord on how I raised my children..... Theirs such a great responsibility that God has given me to lead and guide my children to him..... Why if their salvation is already determined? ( don't worry I understand talking about children can be sensitive subject but please feel free to respond no hard feelings here)

Prov: 22:6. Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it. I know its not a promise but a great word of wisdom with really great results.... I receive my children as a charge from the Lord..
So what's the point if there salvation is already set?

Sorry for my grammar lol

So did you just wake up one day and decide that you were elect? Did you actually have a conversion experience or simply arrive at an intellectual conclusion that you are elect and thereby saved?

Did you ever acknowledge your sin before the Lord and ask Him to for give you for your sin?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

None of us know who the elect of God are, only He knows that.

One of my pastors sons has decided that Christianity is not for him and he has left the Church and he isn't attending any other Church. He is no longer showing any interest in the things of God, the whole Church prays for him on a regular basis but he has gone into the world and he has made it clear that he wants nothing to do with the Church or the things of God.

This is heart breaking for the whole family and the Church, he was raised in the Church and attended every week until he was 20 years old and now he's been gone for 2 years and he has distanced himself all the more as time goes by.

The pastors other children have all been baptized and they are all committed to the life of the Church and following Christ.

The pastor expressed his grief to me and said he would be very sad to go to heaven knowing his son won't be going there with the rest of the family. I tried to comfort him by saying that God will wipe the memory of that son from your mind and it will be like he never existed and you will be completely happy.
He wasn't thrilled to hear my words of encouragement but God can do just that and the person will be filled with happiness and joy, with no memory of those who were lost.

I know it's hard for us to accept everything God does, while we use our fallen corrupt mind in this life but we will receive a perfectly sinless mind in the life to come. So God will take care of everything so we shouldn't worry about anything, just trust and obey Him.

In discussing the unbeliever who will find him/herself cast into the lake of fire, you stated:

"They do have a choice not to sin, nobody forces them. They chose to sin all by themselves, and yes not having the gift to believe the Gospel doesn't help their sinful state." (Post #14)

I then asked:

"So they do not have to suppress the truth in unrighteousness?" (Post #15)

Your response in Post #16 does not answer the question. Can you please answer the question:


Very simple questions. Why will you not answer?





You do not "ascribe all power and authority to God". You do not believe the sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient to cover all mankind.

God allowing mankind to reject Him does not mean "the most important decision of salvation" is left "in the hands of fallen, sinful men".

God has provided for all mankind the means to not reject Him and those who reject Him do so in spite of God providing all that is necessary. That is why they are without excuse (Rom 1:20).

Through your belief system, the unbeliever has an excuse because you believe God does not give them faith to believe.





There are just as many verses being swept under the carpet in embracing calvinism.





Again, God providing to all mankind that which is necessary to come to faith and some rejecting what God has provided does not take "the power of salvation away from God".

It is heartbreaking to me to know there are some who would reject this wonderful gift and this wonderful relationship with God. I cannot imagine the heartbreak to God, Who provided all that is necessary. He gave His Son to die on the cross. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and yet some, in their foolish pride and love of the temporary lusts of the flesh, throw that away with no thought of the eternal consequence of their actions.

Slayer, I thought you were pretty solid in your belief of election and adoption, and did understand that there are a lot of his elect that do not attend church at all. I think that you do believe that our fleshly nature is totally depraved and that even though we have been born of the Spirit we have not lost the presence of our fleshly nature, therefore, causing us to battle with our fleshly nature on a daily basis. Have I misjudged your thinking?

In discussing the unbeliever who will find him/herself cast into the lake of fire, you stated:

"They do have a choice not to sin, nobody forces them. They chose to sin all by themselves, and yes not having the gift to believe the Gospel doesn't help their sinful state." (Post #14)

I then asked:

"So they do not have to suppress the truth in unrighteousness?" (Post #15)

Your response in Post #16 does not answer the question. Can you please answer the question:


Very simple questions. Why will you not answer?





You do not "ascribe all power and authority to God". You do not believe the sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient to cover all mankind.

God allowing mankind to reject Him does not mean "the most important decision of salvation" is left "in the hands of fallen, sinful men".

God has provided for all mankind the means to not reject Him and those who reject Him do so in spite of God providing all that is necessary. That is why they are without excuse (Rom 1:20).

Through your belief system, the unbeliever has an excuse because you believe God does not give them faith to believe.





There are just as many verses being swept under the carpet in embracing calvinism.





Again, God providing to all mankind that which is necessary to come to faith and some rejecting what God has provided does not take "the power of salvation away from God".

It is heartbreaking to me to know there are some who would reject this wonderful gift and this wonderful relationship with God. I cannot imagine the heartbreak to God, Who provided all that is necessary. He gave His Son to die on the cross. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and yet some, in their foolish pride and love of the temporary lusts of the flesh, throw that away with no thought of the eternal consequence of their actions.

Universalists believe all people will be saved. They often complain against the contrary teaching that people go to hell by posing questions such as:

• "Do you really believe that God is going to lose most of mankind in hell and that only a few are going to be saved?"
• "If most go to hell, doesn't that mean that Satan wins since God only gets a few compared to the majority who are lost?"

Of course, these kinds of questions are the wrong ones to ask. What they are doing is using emotionalism to sway someone's beliefs. What they should be asking are questions like these:

• "What does the Bible teach about damnation?"
• "Does the Bible tell us if most will be lost or saved?"
• "Does it tell us that all will be saved?
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• "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14"For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it," (Matt. 7:13-14).
• "For many are called, but few are chosen," (Matt. 22:14).
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• "And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?"
• 
  
• And He said to them, 24"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26"Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'" (Luke 13:22-27).
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• "And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly," (Rom. 9:27)

So how can anyone say God has offered salvation to everyone, the above scriptures make it clear that God has chosen to save some and not all mankind as many believe. What about the Reprobate.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

2 Corinthians 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Do the reprobate choose to be reprobate or has God given them over to their sin nature to continuously sin and deprive themselves of receiving the salvation which Jesus purchased on the cross. It sounds like God didn't give them the gift of faith, so they can't respond by believing the Gospel.

The elect person might live out most of his life, before he is converted. Nobody knows when a person may be converted, it could be at the age of 8 or 80.
Yes I believe we continue to fight our corrupt fleshy nature, after our conversion and until we die.

If this is true, God is not the loving God he claims to be, period.

My conversion and realization that I am one of Gods elect was a long process. I made a profession of faith when I was 12 and attended Church and tried to live the Christian life until the age of 17 then I turned my back on God and lived as a heathen until I was 29.

Then one day I got on my knees and repented and asked Jesus to come back and be the Lord of my life, He obliged and changed my life. I back slid a few times and went back into the world to get my fill, but I repented and came back again.

Looking back now, I can see that it was God who drew me back to Himself every time. I believe God allowed me to go back into the world because I wasn't ready to fully commit, but the point is God never lost me. If God wasn't drawing me back to Himself, I would have stayed in the world like 95% of my friends did.

My friends couldn't understand why I left the party scene and the beautiful girls and drugs, to go and join a bunch of boring Christians. I wished that I never left the Church in the first place, but looking back it seems like it was all meant to be that way. Now the world is not attractive anymore, it has nothing to offer. All I want to do is serve the Lord, in whatever way He leads me to.

You made mention that your pastor would hate to go to heaven and find out his son didn't make it. If the boy is of the elect he will be there and if he is not, he will not be there, and I think I remember you saying that you did not believe we could judge who the elect are. It says that we shall know them by their fruits, but sometimes that would be a hard decision considering their fleshly nature. I do not believe that a child of God has to be converted to understand the truth to go to heaven.

So you did make a free will decision to come to Christ. From 12-17 you were being trained and you returned because of the foundation laid years before.

Pr 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Universalists believe all people will be saved. They often complain against the contrary teaching that people go to hell by posing questions such as:

• "Do you really believe that God is going to lose most of mankind in hell and that only a few are going to be saved?"
• "If most go to hell, doesn't that mean that Satan wins since God only gets a few compared to the majority who are lost?"

Of course, these kinds of questions are the wrong ones to ask. What they are doing is using emotionalism to sway someone's beliefs. What they should be asking are questions like these:

• "What does the Bible teach about damnation?"
• "Does the Bible tell us if most will be lost or saved?"
• "Does it tell us that all will be saved?
• 
  
• "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14"For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it," (Matt. 7:13-14).
• "For many are called, but few are chosen," (Matt. 22:14).
• 
  
• "And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?"
• 
  
• And He said to them, 24"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26"Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'" (Luke 13:22-27).
• 
  
• "And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly," (Rom. 9:27)

So how can anyone say God has offered salvation to everyone, the above scriptures make it clear that God has chosen to save some and not all mankind as many believe. What about the Reprobate.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

2 Corinthians 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Do the reprobate choose to be reprobate or has God given them over to their sin nature to continuously sin and deprive themselves of receiving the salvation which Jesus purchased on the cross. It sounds like God didn't give them the gift of faith, so they can't respond by believing the Gospel.

Please provide your definition of predestination.

Thank you.





How does the "one has the gift which causes him to respond by believing the Gospel when he hears it" get this "gift"?





In Psalms 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven to see ifHow can they choose to not sin if God decides that He will not give "the gift which causes him to respond by believing when he hears it"? They have no choice but sin.





How does God "choose" to save some? What is His criteria for saving some?

In discussing the unbeliever who will find him/herself cast into the lake of fire, you stated:

"They do have a choice not to sin, nobody forces them. They chose to sin all by themselves, and yes not having the gift to believe the Gospel doesn't help their sinful state." (Post #14)

I then asked:

"So they do not have to suppress the truth in unrighteousness?" (Post #15)

Your response in Post #16 does not answer the question. Can you please answer the question:


Very simple questions. Why will you not answer?





You do not "ascribe all power and authority to God". You do not believe the sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient to cover all mankind.

God allowing mankind to reject Him does not mean "the most important decision of salvation" is left "in the hands of fallen, sinful men".

God has provided for all mankind the means to not reject Him and those who reject Him do so in spite of God providing all that is necessary. That is why they are without excuse (Rom 1:20).

Through your belief system, the unbeliever has an excuse because you believe God does not give them faith to believe.





There are just as many verses being swept under the carpet in embracing calvinism.





Again, God providing to all mankind that which is necessary to come to faith and some rejecting what God has provided does not take "the power of salvation away from God".

It is heartbreaking to me to know there are some who would reject this wonderful gift and this wonderful relationship with God. I cannot imagine the heartbreak to God, Who provided all that is necessary. He gave His Son to die on the cross. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and yet some, in their foolish pride and love of the temporary lusts of the flesh, throw that away with no thought of the eternal consequence of their actions.

I beg to differ, we believe that God is the loving God He said He is because He should have damned the whole of mankind because we all sinned and fell short of the glory of God.

So it's absolutely amazing that God chose to save anyone, the fact that He chose to save a large number for His own Glory shows that He is indeed a loving God.

You and I must have a different view of the amount that will populate heaven. Israel is a type representing the elect family of God. God even changed Jacob's name to Israel, Gen 32:28. A lot of the scriptures, especially in the new testament that are talking about Israel have reference to Jacob or God's elect, therefore the number that will inter into heaven are counted as the stars in heaven and the sand of the sea, more than can be numbered. In reference to the two gates in Matt 7, the people that go into both gates are the children of God. The wide gate are those children who are preaching and teaching false doctrines involving eternal salvation by works, and those children of God who go in the strait gate are the children that have been converted to know the truth of Jesus's doctrine. The LIFE that they find is one of no fear, piece, contentment and joy and that life is enjoyed as they live their lives out on this earth.