Sabbath

More SDA propaganda. Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.

Your perverted Sabbath gospel is not the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).

Obsolete is the right word. The old Priesthood with it's animal sacrifice and corrupt preachers was growing old.

The Messiah promised a "new" and better way to "give us God's Laws" and to "forgive the sins of men" in Jer. 31. The Levite Priests had corrupted God's Laws and they were preaching visions of their own mind, as it is written.

Jer. 31:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests to filter and corrupt God's Words.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

o more Levite Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

A changing of the Priesthood.

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them,(Carnal Levite Priests who corrupted God's Laws) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Many preach that the Messiah removed the Law and Prophets in the New Covenant. But the scriptures say what was "changed" was the Priesthood. How God's Laws are administered and how sins are forgiven. The definition of sin remains the same.

There are many words used only once. And for the record I never heard a SDA Evangelist preach on these text. Nor have I read anything from them that says what the post you responded to states.Vines' perverts his Lexicon with baseless commentary. At least he did not have the audacity to claim that it was a future rest like most do.
There is nothing in the context to suggest that we enter into it partially either. It says in verse ten that we cease from our own work just like GOD did from HIS. NOT PARTIALLY JUST LIKE.

Also if I may verse four is rather specific with it's use of definite articles in the Greek.
Here take a look at a more direct translation.

Heb 4:4 ....And rested the GOD in the day; the seventh from all the works of HIM.

It is IN THE day; the seventh in which HE spoke. And in that day; the seventh HE rested from all HIS works.

Couple that with the fact Heb 4:5 says And in this again (HE SPEAKS), If they shall enter into my rest. We have repeating of the forth commandment to which you say does not exist.

You like Vines? DO you agree with all his commentary? You might want to look into that. The JW's love him.

Here are but a few Lexicons without commentary.

Abbott- Smith A Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo_16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb_4:9.†

Dodson Greek-English Lexicon

G4520

σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Noun, Masculine
a Sabbath rest

Mounces Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
G4520
σαββατισμός sabbatismos 1x
pr. a keeping of a sabbath; a state of rest, a sabbath-state, Heb_4:9

Moulton and Milligan- Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament
G4520
σαββατισμός [page 567]
“a resting as on the Sabbath,” found only in Heb_4:9, where it may have been coined by the author : see Moffatt in ICC ad l., who also refers to its possible occurrence in Plutarch de superstit. 166 A (βαπτισμούς, Bentley). The verb occurs in Exo_16:30 : cf. Fränkel Vorstudien, p. 8.

In Hebrews 4:9, the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Period.

I'm really not interested in your biased opinion or your SDA propaganda.

In Hebrews 4:9, the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Period.

I'm really not interested in your biased opinion or your SDA propaganda.

In other words you can't refute the facts, but due to your attitude and biasness you refuse the truth and resort to more accusations and innuendos..
Sad....

Nothing in the context to suggest a perpetual rest in regards to the Sabbatismous (Sabbath keeping) that remains either. The text says He that enters in to his rest (the Gospel) ceases from their own works as (JUST LIKE) GOD did from HIS.

The rest we enter into is perpetual in Christ. It is the Gospel. Because we enter into the Gospel rest through Christ we also cease from our own work as (just like) GOD did from HIS. GOD did not enter into some Spiritual Rest HE is our Spiritual rest though Christ. GOD IN THE DAY; THE SEVENTH RESTED from all HIS WORKS WHICH HE DID.

That was not perpetual either. That was IN THE DAY; THE SEVENTH that HE rested.

this is very interesting, because physical circumcision is in fact a commandment both of the Law and directly to Abraham as a sign of God's covenant with him. but the implication is that in some sense physical circumcision is not, or is at least no longer a commandment of God. so we have that the keeping of what was given as a physical sign of a covenant, and what was commanded in the Law, somehow spoken of as *not* equivalent to ((and not a necessary part of)) keeping of the commandments of God.
there exists then, at least one sign of a covenant and at least one commandment in the Law that is *not* considered by a man in Christ to be part of 'keeping the commandments of God' -- and it's something that has absolutely nothing to do with priesthood or rites for atonement for sin.

The Gospel is not keep the weekly Sabbath day under the law in order to be saved .

. Again, the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God in Hebrews 4:9 is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

="mailmandan, post: 3700675, member: 193497"]Galatians 3:24 - Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [a]tutor.26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Whenever sabbatarians see the expression "statutes, ordinances and decrees", they automatically exclude the 10 commandments and apply it only to what they call, "the ceremonial law" yet here are many passages in which these common expressions refer to the 10 commandments:

In Leviticus 19:1-37, the 10 commandments and the ceremonial law are mixed together without distinction and called "My statures and all My ordinances"

In Leviticus 23, the weekly sabbath is lumped in with all the yearly sabbaths without distinction and they are all called "The Lord's appointed times" and "holy convocations".

In Deuteronomy 5:1, the 10 commandments are called "My statures and all My ordinances"

In Deuteronomy 5:1-6:25, we see two whole chapters that deal exclusively with the 10 commandments and the following 5 terms are used interchangeably without distinction: "statutes", "ordinances", "commandments", "judgments", "testimonies".

In Ezekiel 20:19-21, my sabbaths (including the weekly sabbath) are called "My statures and all My ordinances."

Ezekiel 20 calls the first and fourth commandment, "My statutes and My ordinances."

Nehemiah 8 uses interchangeably without distinction, the following terms: "the book of the law of Moses", "the law", "the book of the law", "the law of God", "book of the law of God."

In Nehemiah 9:13-14, the weekly sabbath is included without distinction: "right judgments, true laws, good statutes, commandments."

Malachi 4:4 - closes with a call to keep "statutes and ordinances" which obviously include the 10 commandments.

="mailmandan, post: 3700686, member: 193497"]The old covenant was not merely limited to the old priesthood with it's animal sacrifices. It included the entire Law of Moses.

No one; at least not anything ever posted in the posts that I post said that.

The post in which you responded and the ones posted by me on the last couple pages emphatically refute your claim.

And by the way your claim does not disprove any of the objective points which are posted. It is just subjectively through in there as a claim based solely on your opinion.

Have a nice day!

Galatians 3:21-26
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.


24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

What does that have anything to do with the question I was asking posthuman regarding the "his thoughts' referred unto in his quote? Are you familiar with Proverbs 9:17-18

But to comment on your post, so when faith is come? Faith comes by hearing , for by faith we understand that the world was framed by the Son of God, so hearing comes by whom? [See John 14:17]. So if faith is the substance of the thing we hoped for, hope that is seen is not hope for what a man sees then why he does yet hope?

what Grandpa quoted says

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Since the lack of response to the intital question is an answer to the question itself, than you for your response.

Since the lack of response to the intital question is an answer to the question itself, than you for your response.






Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31

Whether you or any other extreme Sabbatarian comes out and openly admits it or not, that is the implication of your arguments.

Only in your delusional world of SDA indoctrination.

That statement is the epitome of irony. You have a nice day as well!

Here is a link below to a website that may assist in helping you learn the truth.

http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Articles/clearwordbible/tabid/450/Default.aspx

Posthuman this is a good passage that shows why I believe what I believe, I know you read the word, really consider what it says:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

check this out:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth.

He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,

The covenant He made with Abraham,

And His oath to Yitsḥaq,

And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law,

To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Now consider PS 89 and these:

Psalm 111:5-9, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever. He has shown His people the power of His works, To give to them the inheritance of the nations. The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness. He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Strength, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

“not like the covenant I made with their fathers”

Hebrews 7:11-17, “Truly, then, if perfection were through the Lĕwitical priesthood – for under it the people were given the Torah – why was there still need for another priest to arise according to the order of Malkitseḏeq, and not be called according to the order of Aharon? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. Footnote: bFrom Malkitseḏeq to Aharon. For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the slaughter-place.c Footnote: cSee “Altar” in the Explanatory Notes. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Posthuman this is a good passage that shows why I believe what I believe, I know you read the word, really consider what it says:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

check this out:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth.

He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,

The covenant He made with Abraham,

And His oath to Yitsḥaq,

And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law,

To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Now consider PS 89 and these:

Psalm 111:5-9, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever. He has shown His people the power of His works, To give to them the inheritance of the nations. The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness. He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Strength, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

“not like the covenant I made with their fathers”

Hebrews 7:11-17, “Truly, then, if perfection were through the Lĕwitical priesthood – for under it the people were given the Torah – why was there still need for another priest to arise according to the order of Malkitseḏeq, and not be called according to the order of Aharon? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. Footnote: bFrom Malkitseḏeq to Aharon. For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the slaughter-place.c Footnote: cSee “Altar” in the Explanatory Notes. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31