WHO IS ENOCH AND WHAT DOES HE MEAN TO ME?

Simply incredible!!

This should now be classified as unbelief. If you don't believe Lazarus died, there is no reason you should believe Jesus Christ died as well. He probably just had 1 or 2 heartbeats a day for 3 days.

Well, one can also make the case that Enoch did in fact die, which is more biblicaly accurate.

Jesus said no one has ascended up into “the Heaven” not even Enoch. Paul said Jesus is the only One to have immortality (I Timothy 6:16 which is an incorruptible, deathless body).

Enoch was translated to another place by faith and therefore was spared physical death at that time, he eventually died like we all do.

Notice in verse 13 the summary given of all of the men and women of faith listed here, including Enoch: “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth” (Hebrews 11:13). So Enoch definitely died as well as all the rest.

Isaiah 29
10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Not only does the last verse lend credence to the saying: "It is better to be golfing (or whatever), and thinking about God, then it is to be in Church, thinking about golfing (or whatever).

In a "wider" sense, this also esplains that which apparently was going on in the minds of those "men", that "pieced together", that which many today call the Holy Bible! That doesn't mean that what they did was bad, or wrong. No indeed! Yet? It does give rise to the "dark forces", that were "working" at that time, and how much of an influence they had in, or over those mens' minds! Not saying these ones' of the attempted overthrow, have given up on their "quest", either! They are just as hard at it these days, perhaps, even harder at it, as they are coming to the realization that "the shit, is about to hit the fan!"

Isaiah 29
15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Thanks. I thinking of the introduction in Revelation 1:1 which sets the standard for interpreting in so much that not only did God inspire it but he also signified it as those who walk by faith not looking to that seen the temporal .

If we were to look for two literal bodies rather than embodiments of truth as God's witness we would be seeking after as sign and wonder .Christ said the last sign as a wonder was the sign of Jonas completed in Christ. God does not accept the witness of men

From whom "fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies" is the judgment of God's word as God's witness. The same with the power of God's word to shut off the sky. The breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet.

Feet in the bible represent the gospel

To kill the two prophets would be to make the word of God without effect.

When he comes will he find faith in respect to the law and the prophets as a way of defining the faith of God or a worn out religious book that has ben made to no effect through personal experience (dreams ,out of the body, near death, healings e.t.c )as a sign that a person is with God ? The new gospel.

Well, one can also make the case that Enoch did in fact die, which is more biblicaly accurate.

Jesus said no one has ascended up into “the Heaven” not even Enoch....

Enoch was translated to another place by faith and therefore was spared physical death at that time, he eventually died like we all do.

@PennEd

You know instead of giving me X why don't you just reply with a counter argument backed by scripture, I am sure there the truth can be discovered.

I am surprised that you would come up with this rubbish. Had Enoch died -- as you suggest -- why would he have even been mentioned, and why would Scripture say he was translated?

People love to trot this verse out as though it contradicts the fact that both Enoch and Elijah went to Heaven. All it means is that the incarnation, resurrection, and ascension of Christ were totally unique, since it is "the Lord from Heaven" who came to earth and then ascended back. And here the Lord from Heaven calls Himself "the Son of Man".

This is PURE BALONEY and contradicts the Word of God. It is a dangerous thing to contradict God.

Now please note carefully what is actually stated in Hebrew 11:5:

King James Bible
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

And just so that there is no misunderstanding:

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Enoch was taken away, and so he did not experience death. He was not to be found because God took him away. For before he was taken away, he was approved as one who pleased God.

I disagree. You already know the Scriptures that say Enoch didn't die. You just don't believe them. So I'm left with just disagreeing with you. I want others to know that some people disagree with what you have said.

I believe the whole counsel of God and the rest of the chapter of Hebrews where the author states they all died no exception is mentioned by the writer.

Thank you PennEd it has been a pleasure, I did not know this would rouse such emotion and offense.

I believe in dispassionate discourse even when it comes to Bible discussion.

You're welcome. I recognize your right to be wrong! LOl

Next are you gonna say Elijah died as well? Even though the Bible says the exact opposite?

Also, When did Abraham rejoice to see Jesus' day? And while we're at it, was Moses and Enoch a figment of Peter james and John's imagination at the transfiguration like some believe?

You're welcome. I recognize your right to be wrong! LOl

Next are you gonna say Elijah died as well? Even though the Bible says the exact opposite?

Also, When did Abraham rejoice to see Jesus' day? And while we're at it, was Moses and Enoch a figment of Peter james and John's imagination at the transfiguration like some believe?

In case anyone is interested. Hard to refute this article. An excerpt:
A Letter Comes from Elijah!
Yes, after this wicked rule by the Jewish king, God chose Elijah to write a letter and have it sent to the king!
The contents of the letter are found in II Chronicles 21:12-15. In part it reads: "Because thou hast not walked in the ways of. . . thy father . - . but hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel.. . and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father’s house, which were better than thyself. . . thou shalt have great sickness by disease."
From the wording of the letter, it is clear that Elijah wrote it after these events had occurred, for he speaks of them as past events, and of the disease as future. Two years after the king became diseased the king died—having reigned only eight short years (II Chronicles 21:18-20).
This proves that the letter was written about ten years after Elijah had been taken to another location by the whirlwind.www.cgom.org/Publications/Booklets/Enoch_Elijah.htm

Very helpful thank you, I think the scripture speak for themselves very clearly on this matter, I just wonder who started the rumor way back in the day?

Scripture does interpret scripture. No telling about the rumors, I didn't know there were so many versions of the truth till I joined CC.

Sorry, I forgot to address this in the last post. Cain and Abel knew what they did from instructions to Adam. God tutored Adam Himself. Like any good father, Adam passed God's instructions on to his descendants. Noah even knew of clean and unclean animals from Adam (see Gen. 7:2, 3). This is common sense stuff we should know already.