Not By Works

Morning all...For those who believe Salvation comes when we face Almighty God , maybe this Scripture will help you...

2 Corinthians 6:2
2 For He says:
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”
Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation...

Today is the day , tomorrow could be to late , God saved us the day He called us and we answered Him , those who answered His call and said " Yes LORD , here I am " and have accepted our LORD Jesus Christ as our Savior are Gods children today , those who believe that they are only saved when face the LORD will not receive the Kingdom of God...I truly hope your eyes will be opened , in Jesus name Amen...

Psalm 118:24
This is the day the Lord has made;
We will rejoice and be glad in it. ..Tomorrow is not guaranteed , seek the LORD and He will be found...xox...

you've distorted the context:


God didn't 'help Paul save himself' -- that's not what this verse is about

also not about 'help achieving salvation' but about succor while waiting for it to be revealed in the flesh

right. what's Paul's message?


to save not 'to help sinners save themselves'
you ignore it; you twist it; you spit on it.

notice it says salvation is come -- not 'something to make it a little easier for Gentiles to save themselves' -- salvation

you have no idea what i do or do not do; you only curse & accuse without cause

it's very disrespectful to stick your own private interpretations into the scripture as tho they belong there. they don't.

notice that it is God who grafts -- not you who He 'gives some tools so that you may graft yourself'
and it is unbelief -- unbelief in what? -- for which they did not attain what they sought to attain for themselves.

you do not believe Christ has done what is sufficient to save you. you do not believe you are saved; you do not believe Christ saves - you preach that He merely simplified the priesthood making it easier for you to save yourself. you do not believe His work is effective; you think you have to 'help' Him

dude, when the people came to Canaan, they did not enter, because of unbelief.
God promised them, that He Himself will fight for them, that He Himself would drive out the heathen before them.
and they faltered in unbelief, thinking they had to do this themselves, and fearing that they could not.
God told them He would do the work, but they did not trust Him.


we are not talking about help in our infirmities, to succor us.
we are talking about the salvation of your soul, to enter into life -- and it is not by works.
it is not something you earn for yourself through careful observation of days and rigorous asceticism.
it is the gift of God, by grace through faith -- you don't 'help' Him save you. He doesn't need your help; He desires your trust and belief - as a child - not as a teenager who thinks he knows better than God. but a vain teen grows into an adult and realizes one day that his parents were right. maybe you too, will one day discard your pride and see the Lord for who He is and find something to rejoice over, and to thank Him in every moment and circumstance

deliberate lie & mischaracterization of the good news being preached?
or lack of understanding and confusion?

take the shield of faith -- faith in what? ourselves? the righteousness of our works?


what does it say? that our hope is that by keeping a law of works we will deliver ourselves?


is the one whose personal gospel is 'hate pharisees' any different than the objects of his loathing?

The work of the gospel is to SAVE SOULS.

Not to make us all pharisees.

And yet once again, it is you who refuses to listen to me, it is you who refuse to even acknowledge my post, it is you who lacks the spiritual courage to answer the questions I pose in direct response to what you actually say. In response to your word that you type on this forum.

I knew you would only mock and ridicule. Jesus said so.

You do not get it.

If you tell me I believe or preach something that i don’t and time after time you continue to do so even though you are told by person after person we do not believe that. Thus, you have lost the ability or the priviledge of having anyone listen to you, you are untrustworthy when you can not even humble yourself to listen to others.

Don’t demand people to listen to you when you refuse to listen to them.

Your "definition" of "believe" is "obedience/works," as is the definition of faith/believe for Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists as well. It's all about WORKS SALVATION with you in Hebrew Roots fashion (similar to SDA's) as you have demonstrated numerous times.

Here is a statement below from a Roman Catholic who makes the same error that you do in defining faith/believe:

We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being water baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..

For you, "faith/believe" is "defined" as "obeying commandments, statues, laws," as demonstrated by your argument from Genesis 26:4. You don't seem to make a "distinction" between faith "and" works in your religion.

What's interesting and ironic is that prior to making this statement to me, this Roman Catholic told me that the Roman Catholic church "does not teach salvation by works," yet he clearly contradicted himself by that statement above in blue.

In Genesis 15:15, we read - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness.

*Nothing there in Genesis 15:5-6 about Abram "kept my charge, my commandments, my statues and my laws" and it was "credited to him for righteousness." That is not the definition of believe and what you are teaching is salvation by works -- Hebrew Roots smoke and mirrors.

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22 and the declaration in Genesis 26.

The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was "shown to be righteous." When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

I have the Word of God, you have mainstream religion. That is why you can't believe the Christ "Came in the Flesh", and I can.

He died and was resurrected by God the Father. God's can't die. He was the Firstfruit of Many. First fruit of what? Humans who are given the gift of immortality? No, according to your religion, He wasn't a human. So what is He the Firstfruit of? God's that were given immortality?

You see G9, while you ridicule and mock those of us who trust in Him over the religions of the world, you are ignorant of just how foolish and blind you sound. And when folks try to show you, not their religion, but the Word's of God, you mock and ridicule them. It's an age old problem with humans that can be overcome by the Word of God. Not the Pope, or other religions who preach the Christ never really came in the Flesh, but the Word of God who risked His immortality, His Life, so that I may live.

Amen! The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. That is a "different" gospel. That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that HUMAN PRIDE will not allow works-salvationists to receive Christ through FAITH. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through FAITH.

*Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers (Romans 3:24-28). *No supplements needed.

I have stated to you many times- Jesus was fully God and fully man.

he said of Himself- " I can lay my life down and take it up again. no one can take it from me".

the Disciples said Him " who is this that even the wind and rain obey Him." obey Him. studyman. not the Father,

oh, and then there's this " Lazarus come forth ".

GB9 puts a like on my post, but can't be bothered to say "good morning, Blue"..

I see how it is now..

*GB9 steals my coffee while I'm typing this*

OHO!! So THAT's why you no say good morning to me!! Coffee thief!!

that's you tho, not gb9 or EG. EG is trusting in Him, not in religious works. that's how he comes to be eternally-gratefull
that's what you slander him for, for being grateful and believing.

you have said yourself, you are not saved, you don't believe He came to save you, and you believe that you are going to earn a wage of eternal life by establishing your own righteousness through your own personal religion of works.

maybe one day you'll believe, but you keep telling us that you do not.

'lord, lord did I not mostly keep *selected portions of* the Sinai covenant? did I not daily accuse the brethren in your name?'

is that what you are planning to plead?

sorry blue. good morning.

I thought the coffee was for everyone. my bad.

you have a very low view of God to believe He *risks* anything.
you make Him out to be ignorant, powerless and temporal.

His point was obvious......He claimed to keep the law/commandments of God....I called him on it....He switched gears and posted some misdirected scriptures about love....I called him on that and told him to address his original statements about keeping the LAW and then he posted the above drivel.....

Playing like HE is JESUS and we are attempting to trap him by his words....which are false by the way.....and his misdirection speaks volumes to his motive and deception.....

How many works does it take to change a light bulb?

ONE MORE....

Best thing we can do....ignore his blather........