Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, because all sinned.
R 5:12

Nothing about being born guilty. Actually, the opposite is there - all people die because all people sinned. They are not guilty just because they are born or because they are descendants of Adam. Such doctrine is not biblical and is unjust.

The reason calvinists twist Romans 5:12 like that is because Calvin got his ideas from Augustine who didnt even speak greek. Nor did he bother to learn it.
And there is a mistranslation in the latin there. OOPS.

I thought these guys were into scholarly works? YOu get made fun of and get stomped by "The greek" while their golden boy augustine didnt even know greek himself.

Nope! not until God regenerates him and gives him the Holy Spirit so he can discern spiritual things.

Then is it your assumption that the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, can repent of breaking a spiritual commandment that he cannot understand and thinks it is foolishness?

The reason calvinists twist Romans 5:12 like that is because Calvin got his ideas from Augustine who didnt even speak greek. Nor did he bother to learn it.
And there is a mistranslation in the latin there. OOPS.

I thought these guys were into scholarly works? YOu get made fun of and get stomped by "The greek" while their golden boy augustine didnt even know greek himself.

People are born guilty....born to die in their sins.........to be saved is to be saved from somthing. No sin, no salvation necessary.
ABC's of the doctrine of salvation.

12. Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned: Romans 5:12

God by his foreknowledge saw that none would seek him. That none would do good, no, not one. (Ps 53:2-3). That is why in Eph 1 he choose an elect people before the foundation of the world and gave them to his Son to die for their sins and make them holy and without blame. Christ's death on the cross saved them from their sins before they ever committed them all by God's foreknowledge.

Even paul understood how many Gentiles by nature obey the law. Even drug addicts can repent and with help or a life changing situation have stopped sin.

God saved us from our sins in time. Ephesians 1. Ephesians 2:3.

Yes, we are all born into this world as sinners and God regenerates his elect sometime after their natural birth. We were bought and paid for by covenant at Christ's death. When Christ died on the cross is when we were eternally saved by covenant of God. At regeneration we were brought from being spiritually dead to be spiritually alive.

I'm more into precrastination


Which scripture details this "God regenerates his elect sometime after their natural birth" process?

Yes, we are all born into this world as sinners and God regenerates his elect sometime after their natural birth. We were bought and paid for by covenant at Christ's death. When Christ died on the cross is when we were eternally saved by covenant of God. At regeneration we were brought from being spiritually dead to be spiritually alive.

Does He tell them first?

YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF THE DISCUSSIONS,

The Gentiles that were obeying the law were already regenerated. And you are saying that you know that all drug addicts are not born again children of God. Are you not familiar with the scriptures that tell us how depraved we are by our fleshly nature?

But let us consider this.

If OSAS is true then God would only work in the lives of those He chose, for there would be no reason for God to work in the lives of those He did not choose.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

No person can say Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, so if a person confesses Jesus is Lord, God would have to be working in their life.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No person can come to the Son to confess Him as Savior unless the Father draws them to the Son, so if a person confesses the Son as Savior then God is working in their life.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If a person confesses that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, it can only be revealed to them by the Father, so God is working in their life.

Both OSAS and those that oppose OSAS believe those things, and confess those things, so God would have to be working among both of them, so the ones that do not believe OSAS would have to still be saved even though they do not believe OSAS, so why do the OSAS people bother to hassle them if they are saved too.

It seems like the OSAS people try to say the criteria for being saved is believing in OSAS instead of acting Christlike being led of the Spirit, having works of love.

But the Bible says many are called, but few are chosen, so God does the calling and choosing on earth.

And the Lord knows them that are His having this seal, for this is what seals the saints, and how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

And if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit, and not the ways of the flesh.

And those that are led of the Spirit are not under the law, because their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sin, so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

But all sin can be forgiven but a person should have the proper attitude and get rid of it and keep moving forward and do not hold unto sin, for then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

So which belief is right OSAS or a person can lose salvation if they do not act Christlike led by the Spirit.

Which it appears that those that say to act Christlike led by the Spirit seem to have the truth in the matter.

If OSAS is true then both beliefs would be saved for they confess those things concerning Jesus, and God is working in their life.

But many are called, but few are chosen, so many confess those things but not all will be saved, for some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, and it points out their sins, and they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, for they want to enjoy the world like the world enjoys it, and believe they are still saved.

And God said to turn away from them, so if OSAS says they cannot abstain from sin, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, does it seem like they are the ones that fit that attitude of having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, for a Spirit led life will not sin, and they say they cannot abstain from sins, so they would have to be denying the Spirit leading them.

If OSAS is true then God's kingdom is not true love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice but to reject truth seeing no other alternative.

That means the ones God did choose their faith is not real, their confession of Christ is not real, their love of God is not real, their hope is not real, their repenting of their sins is not real, for it did not come from them but from God.

If OSAS is true then God would of not have created the earth, for the earth would serve no purpose for God could create them to be with Him, and cut out the earth, and the result would be the same for they have no participation in their salvation.

The reason that there is an earth that people dwell on is because they have to be apart from God, so they can choose that salvation while not dwelling with God, believing it is true by faith.

But if OSAS is true there is no purpose for the earth.



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I going with the colas too, Pepsi and Coke.

This is the accompanying account of the narrow path in Matthew:
Luke 13:
23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

So what is this narrow path and gate?

I think John tells us EXACTLY.

John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture.


I tried to see the wide path, that leads to DESTRUCTION, the way FGC sees it, that those that enter it will be saved, but it simply isn't there. And the attempt to use that Abraham will have SAVED descendants as numerous as the sand on the sea, as justification that the wide path people will be saved, frankly seems like a HUGE stretch.

Why can't there be numerous saved, yet a VASTLY MORE numerous amount that are not?

So if Jesus is the Narrow Path and Narrow Gate, what is the wide path that leads to destruction?

I believe it is EVERY attempt to enter that is NOT Jesus. Partial list:
Baha'i,Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto,Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, Mormonism. And the MOST deceived of all, WORKS BASED CHRISTIANITY.

Every one of these religions have ONE thing in common. MAN ATTEMPTING TO EITHER WORK HIS WAY TO HEAVEN OR BECOME LIKE GOD.