The 144,000 named in Revelation

John calls the 144,000, “servants,” “servants the prophets,” and “servants of God” in the book of Revelation. (Revelation 6:11, 7:3, 10:7, 19:2)
The four angels do not hurt Earth until the 144,000 are sealed. (Revelation 7:3)
The 144,000 will be the first to receive the seal of God. (Revelation 7:3) They will be presented to God as the firstfruits of the Great Tribulation. They will not be defiled with women and they will travel with Jesus wherever He goes. (Revelation 14:4)
Unlike the numberless multitude who will come out of the Great Tribulation, the 144,000 will be numbered. (Revelation 7:5-8, 9, 14)
The 144,000 will experience and endure the sufferings of Christ. They will be honored above the rest of the redeemed. No one else will be able to sing their song. (Revelation 14:1, 3)
No lie or falsehood will be found in the mouths of the 144,000. (Revelation 14:5)
The 144,000 will visibly wear the names of the Father and Son on their foreheads throughout eternity. (Revelation 14:1; Revelation 22:3, 4)
The 144,000 will be Jews, descendants of Abraham. (Revelation 7:5-8

You must need glasses.......I already said they are directly tied....but that's OK....I know you are open to nothing other than what has been hammered out on your own anvil......

I did misread your post; my humble apologies.

GO to chapter 14 and LIST the FACTS.....and PAY attention to the fact that...

a. THEY are identified with 4 places ALL in heaven
b. THE angel that SEALS IS ASCENDING from the EAST to seal while speaking to the angel DESCENDING to the EARTH.....

It really has nothing to do with seeds of the flesh that were used in a parables. We are, just as they were, not what we will be when the bride of Christ receives the promised new incorruptible body .

The time of reformation had come and is still doing its work.(sola scriptura)The remnant of his people in the verse above is speaking of new creatures neither Jew nor Gentile male nor female But again the bride of Christ. In the description of His chaste virgin bride in the book of Revelation 21 the tribe of Dan is missing that represent gates to the city. this is so that he could be used as a negative just as from the same one Bride Judas a apostle is missing for the same reason .Apostles represent the walls of the city made up of many lively stones as saints that do make up the spiritual house of God .

Following you

Following you brother but reading this carefully judgement was delayed because of sealing the 144 thousand. The first fruits could indicate that they are comming out of the great tribulation. Notice also the tribe of Levi being one of the tribes. Dan not mentioned.
John referring to them as servants of prophets which this term is in the Bible 19 times. Joel talks about them in the judgement day of God.

and the fact that in ALL 4 places they are LOCATED is in heaven........start there bro

So, I see nothing in Rev7 indicating that the 144,000 are anywhere other than on the earth.

How can that be when they are shown praising God, and standing before the throne of God (Q)

And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders... (Rev 14:3)

We know that the four beasts, or living creatures, or cherubim, surround the throne of God in Heaven, and the 24 elders are also before the throne of God. Since all of that is in Heaven (the third heaven) it would be totally incorrect and misleading to claim that the 144,000 were or are on earth.

But I was saying that I see nothing in Revelation 7 that shows the 144,000 to be anywhere other than on the earth.

In Revelation 7, the 144,000 are indeed found on earth, and therefore sealed in order to protect them from the judgments about to be poured out ON THE EARTH.

But Revelation 14 tells us that they were *redeemed from the earth* and *redeemed from among men*, and since they are shown singing BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD (v 3) there can be no doubt that they were raptured from the earth in order to appear before the throne of God in Heaven, *for they are without fault before the throne of God.* (v 5).

So based on the biblical evidence, you will need to abandon your incorrect belief about this group of redeemed Hebrews from the 12 tribes of Israel. They are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.

In Revelation 7, the 144,000 are indeed found on earth, and therefore sealed in order to protect them from the judgments about to be poured out ON THE EARTH.

But Revelation 14 tells us that they were *redeemed from the earth* and *redeemed from among men*, and since they are shown singing BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD (v 3) there can be no doubt that they were raptured from the earth in order to appear before the throne of God in Heaven, *for they are without fault before the throne of God.* (v 5).

So based on the biblical evidence, you will need to abandon your incorrect belief about this group of redeemed Hebrews from the 12 tribes of Israel. They are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.

Do we go to heaven when we boldly come before the throne of grace?

Right.

There are also plenty of verses in the OT that say "before the Lord" which has the people actually "on the earth" doing this (so is also [in part] why I see Job 1 and 2 [and involving Satan] to be a setting taking place "on the earth," rather than "up in heaven," as well). Good point. Yep!


EDIT: I see "the voice out from heaven" (verse 2) who "they sung as it were a new song around the throne," to be distinct from the 144,000 who are the ones who "learn" the song (but on the earth).

I question this. (Which verses are you referring to?)

Think also of "the woman" in Rev12, where it had said, in verse 1, "there appeared a great wonder IN HEAVEN, a woman...," and then, in verse 6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness," which I believe this "FLED" is parallel with the "FLEE" of Matthew 24:16 and context (at mid-trib). And that is definitely taking place "on the earth". [see verses 13-17]

So, I see nothing in Rev7 indicating that the 144,000 are anywhere other than on the earth. Then, in chpt 14, I still think these 144,000 are on the earth, and here's why I tend to think so. Verse 1 is showing a change of location from where the "Lamb stood" back in chpt 5, here now "on the mount Sion," and now is "accompanying [G3326 - meta] Him" an hundred and forty four thousand. In the next verse, the "a voice from heaven" is something [some-ones] other than the 144,000 [the martyrs, perhaps??] and it is "they" (not the 144,000) who initiate the singing, and it is the 144,000 who then (while still on the earth) "learn that song" (and no one but them could learn it).

Then verse 4 says they were "redeemed from among men" (that can happen while remaining on the earth; just the same as being called "the firstfruit" can, just as we [the Church which is His body] are called that even now); and then in verse 5, there is some question as to whether the phrase "before the throne of God" is in the text (see the various versions here [many of which do not contain this phrase]: https://biblehub.com/revelation/14-5.htm ), but even if it is in the text, it doesn't have to mean they are literally located in heaven, just that they are "without fault" before the throne of God (i.e. in His judgment).

I remain unconvinced of your viewpoint, but I have enjoyed reading and considering it.

By default....NOTE all four locations they are tied to......

If they are before the Throne, Before the 4 beasts, elders where must they be?

Also Mt Sion is not in heaven, it’s not even a literal place, it’s the church or a place of grace.

Heb 12:22 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,