Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

Just want to clarify why the above is a false gospel. No person on this earth is a "child of God" prior to repentance and faith in the Gospel. This is what FGC is trying to say though, that they are a child of God. Already.

John 1:12 is clear on this that through believing we become the children of God "... to become the children of God, even to those who believe on his name" ("believe" present tense) though this salvation was not via decision or free will, blood line &c John 1:13. FGC also has those who do not believe in His name as children of God because "he can tell it's so" through mysticism and his false gospel.

The Gospel is not some temporary deliverance from the ills of this world. That is absolutely false.

The sad part is he is mocking those who have died spreading the gospel to people in remote areas. Look at what the Apostles went through to proclaim it. And he says it is not necessary.

1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Eph 2:5 - EVEN when we were DEAD (spiritually) in sins, hath he quickened (made spiritually alive and given the Holy spirit) us together with Christ. No spiritual believing before being made spiritually alive. If not so, then how do you interpret this verse?

You are trying to make religious doctrine out of the use of a word that basically means chosen. Your reference in 1 Timothy to elect angels simply means chosen messengers. It has nothing to do with Christ referring to the elect in the gospels.

Eph 2:5 is not a standalone verse. We are to read God’s Word with discernment.

Eph 1:13 (and other verses in Scripture) clearly indicates we hear, then believe, then we are sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

Your continued insistence that "hearing" and/or "believing" on the part of man constitutes "works" does not make it so.

"My people are lost sheep; their shepherds have led them astray, causing them to roam the mountains. They have wandered from mountain to hill; they have forgotten their resting place." Jeremiah 50:6

...yet, does not Romans 9:26/Hosea 1:10 [re: Israel] (contrasted with Romans 9:25/Hosea 2:23b re: the Gentiles) suggest that they were called "My people" and then called "Not My people," before they will again be called "My people" in the future? ("AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, that in the place where it WAS SAID UNTO THEM, Ye are NOT My people; there shall they be called the children of the living God."--and note Romans 11:15, 25-28 in relation to this, "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.")


[note Ezekiel 39:7's "My people Israel" and what will be "made known" in the midst of them]

If you make it a requirement for eternal life then it is by the works of man. I have already explained "the earnest of our inheritance" in Eph 1:13. We should include all of the scriptures when we are seeking the truth and not avoid any.

I am using this in regards to the meaning of the word elect. It never, ever means elect unto salvation. The word elect as used throughout the word refers to service, not salvation.

How about you include the first part of Eph 1:13? Instead of focusing only on the earnest, then hopping over to Eph 2:5 to explain how the believer receives the earnest, which is poor workmanship on your part, just have faith that God means what He says and says what He means in Eph 1:13.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


First hear
Then believe
Then sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of His glory.

Some of the best days had by Calvinists were back in 1692 in the little town of Salem, Massachusetts. I guess God predestined the murder of innocent girls by elect zealots.

First - regeneration Then; Believe Then; receive the earnest, down payment, of our inheritance.

Some of the best days had by Calvinists were back in 1692 in the little town of Salem, Massachusetts. I guess God predestined the murder of innocent girls by elect zealots.

I am using this in regards to the meaning of the word elect. It never, ever means elect unto salvation. The word elect as used throughout the word refers to service, not salvation.

Elect refers to "a called out people". and they are the ones that God gave to his Son to die for. and all of those he died for will be in heaven because Jesus said he would not lose even one.

The other interesting thing to note is that originally Baptists and Anabaptists were not among the Reformed, and indeed they were hated by the Reformers.

Here is what you state in your post:

do you not see the error in your statement???

You are so indoctrinated with your dogma that you do not even comprehend the knot which needs to be untangled in order for you to simply believe what is written:


Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


First hear
Then believe
Then sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of His glory.