Why Do Christians Ignore Most of the Old Testament Rules?

well what do you know

I had a feeling about you and I checked that very thread and it seems you are already tucked in, having found your new home

unless you are, of course, one of the many notorious members who have been banned from that thread for becoming volatile and have returned under a pseudonym

I started to go through it and already i see the same i see everyplace. people quoting PART of scripture to justify their beliefs rather than look at the weight of scripture. I just wrote a book and went through this. the problem is that people don't understand the basic idea of what belief (or faith) really are. would you care to point me to a page with discussion on that?

dude you are already there LOL!

oh you wrote a book? so now you are an expert!

but of course. do carry on

Perhaps you can just confirm what i understand you to say: it does not matter not how you live your life at all to your salvation....correct?

I guess it would depend on who led me to write it wouldn't it?

wait...wait...

don't tell me now....


ummm God?

yup ... every Christian book out there ... God told 'em to write it

listen...I would like to say it's been fun, but it hasn't and you have no clue what I believe

you totally misread my post and I don't want to discuss with someone who does that and goes flying off in all directions berating someone they do NOT know

so, yah know, I'm going to let you move on .. I doubt there is room to change your mind even by saying you did not get my post right at all...of course maybe God is telling me to move on so I don't have to give account of this many words which leads to sin

did i claim that? no you read into it. in any event I apologize if i mis-characterized what you said.

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I have read them. They give us the spirit of God. They are written down when people had no jails, no police, and the accepted way of most was killing babies and cutting off hands for stealing an apple. God gives us historical information today to explain some of it, we are to use it.

We are told that we are human and as a result we cannot be Gods. There is nowhere in scripture that we are instructed to be lawless because of this. Even in or playing of games in sports we are not perfect, but people play games and watch games. No one says they won't play or watch because perfection isn't reached, yet Christians are always saying this about God's law.

As we are told in scripture that will happen, people who join with God to work at law keeping are scoffed at while they clap and are delighted with playing at sports for perfection yet sports are lets pretend for fun and law keeping is real and truth.

Jesus paid for our sins so we may have forgiveness. Do you believe this forgiveness that you are freely given frees you to sin? Paul always said to that idea "heaven forbid".

Why are you gossiping with untruths about anyone who puts on Christ, who dies to sin with Christ, and puts sin out of their life as much as they can being human? It sounds like demons against Christ in our life.

Another holier than now, sit down and be quite you don’t practice none of it.

Time Is Near, buckle your setbelts it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

By fulfill he meant he kept the law perfectly. And of course that would happen.
However, when Jesus also said, not one jot nor tittle of the law would pass from the law until all is accomplished, not fulfilled,
meaning that the whole of the prophecy of Messiah would need occur before anything in the law would disappear. There is still more to come.

Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

No Christian who studies scripture could ever arrive at the conclusion our salvation gives us license to sin.
The law of God is inside us.
Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the Law who will be declared righteous. 14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves,even though they do not have the Law, 15since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.

JESUS also told the rich young ruler that wanted to Inherit Eternal Life to keep the ten commandments but the Bible says that no one can keep the ten commandments perfectly so then somebody might ask the question,why would JESUS tell the rich young ruler to keep the Ten Commandments If It weren’t possible for any man to keep them perfectly?

why are you using the word gossiping? all posts are public and I do not use the pm feature BECAUSE I do not want to hear anyone's private thoughts on someone else...which goes on far too often here, which I found out when I did use the pm feature

this thread is about lawkeeping...have you kept up with those many threads? do you not understand what lawkeeping is?

I have died to sin in Christ so am I gossiping about myself? no human can put sin out of their life through self effort. if you could, then anyone could be a Christian

as for the 'do I believe I am free to sin, I have to ask, why would you ask that? you responded to a post in which I actually wrote this:

understand that Jaume seems to either misunderstand, or deliberately continues to actually create posts that are not very truthful with regards to those who oppose his stance on the law.

Jesus actually fulfilled the obligations of the law which is something law keepers cannot seem to wrap their heads around

further, they continue in their confusion by stating that we have no regard for the commandments of God and do not believe we are accountable for our sin

actually, we are no longer accountable for our sin, but not because we think sinning does not matter, but because God no longer sees our sin

either Jesus is our High Priest or He isn't.

myself and MANY others in this forum have repeatedly made very clear that we do not believe in easy grace or continuing in sin

why is it that you and some others just cannot accept that? does it not fit in with the agenda of saying those who are not law keepers sin and think it is ok?

so tell me, how long do you and others intend to keep the false narrative going?

and for your information, some weeks back I point blank asked Jaume what he thought of Paul's writings...why don't you ask him since he does not exactly think much of them. if I have to, I can go back and find that admission, which is typical of Sabbath folk, and law keeping, but I really do have better ways to spend my time

Matthew 19:16-19
"And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

• Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

I used the word gossip because I wanted to get the thinking of the people who post against law keeping to think about what they are doing in a different way, and get them to realize it is not a good thing to do.

These anti law people take truths and somehow they come out distorted. It is true that we need God's help to put on Christ's way of acting, but this fact is put that we should make no effort ourselves to keep God's law? We are given free will, God isn't going to force His will on us, so it is true it is God in us that obeys and it is ALSO true that we have free will to obey.

Why, when you are trying to show how you believe God wants us to be it is something like "how is it that you people can't" and blah blah blah. Yet there are postings like "Jesus fulfilled the obligations to the law". I think you are basing that on that innocent blood of Christ paid for our sins, so in one sense it is true. The problem is when it is interpreted to mean that we don't have any obligation to obey Christ or as Paul puts it to die to sin and put on Christ.

You speak of believing we are not to sin, yet all the truths are pulled out and interpreted to mean we have no more responsibility for our sin. Or the Christ does not judge man but turns a blind eye to sin. All these have some basis in truth, for God is love who is sinless and His very essence it without sin. But Christ will return to judge. We are told that there is judgment, and sin brings on the results of sin. And here again, it is true that sin brings on its own results and it is also true that Christ forgives and forgets our sin.

It is also true that we must live with the results in this life of our sin. David proved that, for he was forgiven and was made pure and clean but he still paid. If you are caught stealing you go to jail even when God forgives you. David had to live with the results of his sins like his children dying, his son turning against him, etc. He died a broken man and he died a man forgiven and saved.

"Gossip" is simply the wrong word and it introduces antagonism which is not needed... it's here in abundance already, sadly.

The negative characterization isn't needed either.

Do you stone those who commit adultery? Do you go to the temple in Jerusalem? Do you present your tithe to the Levite? Do you consider failure to uphold these laws as sin? If not, then you aren't "making effort to keep God's law."

Christ frees you from all of that. Why, as Paul asks, are you returning to those weak and miserable principles? It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free; not for subjection once again to the yoke of slavery.

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We can gain nothing through the law? Jesus came at just the right time for our salvation? Have you read the first chapters of Genesis? God created His plan for our salvation at the beginning, Christ was for 4,000 YEARS before He came in the flesh.

We are told the law brings comfort, peace, it blesses, gives delight, is truth, it frees us, gives wisdom and good judgment--for a partial list of scripture's description of law.

Are you familiar with the lifestyle and culture of the world God worked in to teach love? No police and no jails. Read some of the laws of the nations other than Hebrew. Do you know about the temple there was then and the temple we have today? The high priest of OT times and our High Priest? And the connections. The spirit of God in the laws is alive and well today, for God is eternal and God is love.

The yoke of slavery is sin, not God's law. God's law is love and it explains ways of expressing God's love according to the times and culture we are in.