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KJV1611

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Macabeus said:
The generation could be interpreted as those who "see these things" mentioned earlier, (see preceding verses). One possible way of interpreting it, but I'm always open to correction if I see otherwise in God's Word
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Luk_11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Luk_11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luk_17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Why would the generation in Luke 21:32 be any different than the generation in the verses above?

Luk_21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I would like to see you guys view on Matthew 24:27-28.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Apparently the Son of man comes to where the carcase is. Thoughts? To me it sounds like the scene at the resurrection.
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Verse 28 is somewhat difficult to interpret, but it seems to be refuting the idea that Christ will come in secret, ie in the desert or a secret place, the same basic point verse 27 is making. His coming will not be hidden or in secret, but will be visible to everyone.

Jesus seems to be using a figure of speech here, and often a figure cannot be properly defined by interpreting it's parts separately, but has a very general meaning
 
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John 17:20 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;"



The Lesson of the Fig Tree​

Matt. 24:32, 33 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." That is the generation that will see the end of the age. :cool:
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Did you know that a fig tree that has tender branches and is just starting to put on leaves is a tree in the spring time? When the summer came, Jesus cursed the fig tree and said "Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever".

You're taking the parable of the fig tree and making it a reborn tree that will produce fruit again when Jesus destroyed the fig tree and said it would never produce fruit again.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Did you know that a fig tree that has tender branches and is just starting to put on leaves is a tree in the spring time? When the summer came, Jesus cursed the fig tree and said "Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever".

You're taking the parable of the fig tree and making it a reborn tree that will produce fruit again when Jesus destroyed the fig tree and said it would never produce fruit again.
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The parable of the fig tree (also of Luke 21:32) has nothing to do with the cursed fig tree. Sheesh. :cool:
 
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KJV1611 said:
Luk_11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Luk_11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luk_17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Why would the generation in Luke 21:32 be any different than the generation in the verses above?

Luk_21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
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Because of the verses immediately preceding.

Your interpretation of "this generation" is valid, but the preceding verses make my interpretation valid too. Both are valid in the immediate context, so we need to look at the broader context, the one that says His Coming will be like lightning shining from East to West, and will be seen by all tribes, not just a select few.

Unless you think the latter is accomplished by the proclaimation of the Gospel after the resurrection. That is the only way I see that it would be consistent with the full text.
 
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Macabeus said:
Verse 28 is somewhat difficult to interpret, but it seems to be refuting the idea that Christ will come in secret, ie in the desert or a secret place, the same basic point verse 27 is making. His coming will not be hidden or in secret, but will be visible to everyone.

Jesus seems to be using a figure of speech here, and often a figure cannot be properly defined by interpreting it's parts separately, but has a very general meaning
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It’s pretty clear as to what the verse is talking about when you look at Luke’s account.

Luk 17:37 (KJV) And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

When they said “Where Lord?”, they are referring back to verse 30 and asking Jesus WHERE would the son of man reveal himself after his return.

Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The only place that could possibly be talking about is at the tomb when Christ rose from the dead.
 
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I got to take a break, be back later.
 
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I don't think you even read my posts because yours to me make no sense.

Of course there was a Jewish revolt, that is what brought the Roman army down on them to put a stop to the revolt once and for all & to destroy their temple. The Jews revolt was two-fold: 1 to be rid of Roman rule and 2. refusal to worship the CAESARS as god (which Caesar demanded)

Told you before, the "mark" is symbolic, not literal.
I'm not repeating myself on this 20 times......not even once more.
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lol no I read your post and fully understand you see it spiritual. You said that it was but gave no scriptural explanation on how you determined this. I gave you the reasons as to why I cannot see it spiritual and so we at least understand that we see it differently so no had feelings. Anyway though I wish you well in it.
 
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Macabeus said:
Verse 28 is somewhat difficult to interpret, but it seems to be refuting the idea that Christ will come in secret, ie in the desert or a secret place, the same basic point verse 27 is making. His coming will not be hidden or in secret, but will be visible to everyone.

Jesus seems to be using a figure of speech here, and often a figure cannot be properly defined by interpreting it's parts separately, but has a very general meaning
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I think Luke will define it for us. The disciples actually asked where the taken were taken to.

Luke 17:35-37 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Clearly this denotes the second coming of Christ where there will be so much death, the vultures will be feeding on the unburied bodies (Matt. 24:22). :cool:
 
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Macabeus said:
Everything you said is basically what I believe, but we may differ on where the harpazo of 1 thess. 4 fits in that. I'm not sure what you hold on that, but otherwise I generally agree with your interpretation.
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Its because my "interpretatioN" is really just the PLAIN regular normal reading of the text! Which is why we can objecitvely AGREE with it!

Do you place the harpazo with Matthew 24:31 or not? That largely boils down to if you are a dispie or not.
 
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Summer is when fruit appears, and shortly afterwards when consumed, becomes part with the host.
We are the fig trees.
 
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Deade said:
I think Luke will define it for us. The disciples actually asked where the taken were taken to.

Luke 17:35-37 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Clearly this denotes the second coming of Christ where there will be so much death, the vultures will be feeding on the unburied bodies (Matt. 24:22). :cool:
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I think so too and that Revelation 19:21 is parallel of it.
 
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I think so too and that Revelation 19:21 is parallel of it.
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Strange view considering that all the statements in that passage stem from the kingdom of God that comes WITHOUT observation.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:


Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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Yes, our politics, if we have any at all, is the Kingdom, and Our King. What spills over into this age is all products of His love.
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Actually the Bible says that God has ordained the governments as a restrainer of evil
which is why he says that we should submit to them
 
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KJV1611 said:
Strange view considering that all the statements in that passage stem from the kingdom of God that comes WITHOUT observation.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:


Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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The Kingdom comes without observation as it exists before Christ return to earth. It will then be very observable according to the scriptures below:

Rev. 6:12-17 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"


Matt. 24:29, 30 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." :cool:
 
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Deade said:
The Kingdom comes without observation as it exists before Christ return to earth. It will be very observable according to the scriptures below:

Rev. 6:12-17 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"


Matt. 24:29, 30 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." :cool:
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Our views are way apart on this.
 
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Because of the verses immediately preceding.

Your interpretation of "this generation" is valid, but the preceding verses make my interpretation valid too. Both are valid in the immediate context, so we need to look at the broader context, the one that says His Coming will be like lightning shining from East to West, and will be seen by all tribes, not just a select few.

Unless you think the latter is accomplished by the proclaimation of the Gospel after the resurrection. That is the only way I see that it would be consistent with the full text.
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Plus, if you consider that He said " if they say to you " Messiah is here or He is there, do not go", it is clear that at the very least, the disciples understood His
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I think Luke will define it for us. The disciples actually asked where the taken were taken to.

Luke 17:35-37 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Clearly this denotes the second coming of Christ where there will be so much death, the vultures will be feeding on the unburied bodies (Matt. 24:22). :cool:
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That goes along well with Rev 19
 
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Hevosmies,
I am undecided on the timing of the rapture, but I am Pre-mil, and I take the passage blindness in part UNTIL (ie temporary blindness on Israel, not permanent), and Israel will be saved, and the various OT prophesies concerning Israel in the end times, etc, quite literally

I would say I am a moderate dispie. Some carry it too far, IMO, but I believe in a future spiritual restoration for the natioqn of Israel
 
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Macabeus said:
Hevosmies,
I am undecided on the timing of the rapture, but I am Pre-mil, and I take the passage blindness in part UNTIL (ie temporary blindness on Israel, not permanent), and Israel will be saved, and the various OT prophesies concerning Israel in the end times, etc, quite literally

I would say I am a moderate dispie. Some carry it too far, IMO, but I believe in a future spiritual restoration for the natioqn of Israel
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Yes, the future restoration will be physical and spiritual and the blindness will be lifted from Israel. :)
 
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