Need clarity regarding this Predestination thing and something related to an election?

Justification is the judicial act of the Father, who declares a guilty sinner righteous based on the merits of Christ's sinless life and atoning death through faith.

A. Justificatiin is the act of God

B. On the basis and merits of Christ

C faith is the condition

D. Having heard the Gospel and bieving, we are sealed with the Spirit

The apostle Paul declares that justification is by faith, that God justifies those who believe through the propitiation of Christ. Being justified by faith we have peace with. Having heard the Word, you believed, and having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit ( Ephesians 2:14), by grace you are saved, through faith (Ephesians 2:9), to him that does not, but believes on God who justtifies the ungodly (Romans 4), etc.

Righteousness is based on the merits of Christ's work, and is granted freely to those who believe and trust in the Atonement in the Life He gave for us/on our behalf That is the focal point of the book of Romans.

Righteousness is based on the merits of Christ's work, and is granted freely to those who believe and trust in the Atonement in the Life He gave for us/on our behalf That is the focal point of the book of Romans.

And who is it that believes? Answer; Those who have been regenerated and given the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:5), so they can discern the things of the Spirit, unlike, the carnal man in 1 Cor 2:14 that cannot discern the things of the Spirit. John 6:39 says all that Christ died for will live with him in heaven, without the loss of even one. Christ's sacrifice was an offering to God for God's acceptance, not to man for man's acceptance.

Agree for the most part with this post. The thing I disagree with is regeneration before faith. Faith comes before justification, and justification is similtaneous with regeneration, or else you have a bunch of born again sinners that are still under the penalty and guilt of sin. Justification removes the guilt and penalty of sin, and justification is granted to the one who believes in Christ Jesus, see last three verses of Romans 4

No new birth without imputed righteousness. They always come together, are inseperable. And God imputes Christ's righteousness to those who believe, see last 3 verses of Romans 4.

Have to be away for a couple days, but nice chatting with you.

Blessings

Agree for the most part with this post. The thing I disagree with is regeneration before faith. Faith comes before justification, and justification is similtaneous with regeneration, or else you have a bunch of born again sinners that are still under the penalty and guilt of sin. Justification removes the guilt and penalty of sin, and justification is granted to the one who believes in Christ Jesus, see last three verses of Romans 4

No new birth without imputed righteousness. They always come together, are inseperable. And God imputes Christ's righteousness to those who believe, see last 3 verses of Romans 4.

Have to be away for a couple days, but nice chatting with you.

Blessings

The thing I disagree with is regeneration before faith. Faith comes before justification, and justification is similtaneous with regeneration, or else you have a bunch of born again sinners that are still under the penalty and guilt of sin.

The catch is in verse 24, IF WE BELIEVE ON HIM. The natural man cannot believe on the things of the Spirit until after he is born of the Spirit.

That birth happens via the Gospel of Christ.

Yes, I hold that new birth is when the person hears and believes they are immedietely regenerate, fully justified, and set apart to God. Then growth needs to begin

That is correct. Those who are justified by grace through faith receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and after that sinners are *born of the Spirit* (regenerated). Calvinism puts the cart before the horse because there is a very poor understanding of the power of the Gospel and the convicting and convincing power of the Holy Spirit.

Scripture gives us the correct sequence:

ACTS 2

THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL AND THE CONVICTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SEEN
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

THE COMMAND TO REPENT FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS IS PROCLAIMED
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CONFIRMED TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

MORE GOSPEL IS PREACHED FOR THE SALVATION OF SOULS
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

THE GOSPEL IS BELIEVED, THE HOLY SPIRIT RECEIVED, THEN BELIEVERS ARE BAPTIZED
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Needs or will?

Who does the growing? God or the person?

2 Corinthians 7: 1. Perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord

,and another passage gives the imperative to believers to grow in the grace and knowledge

Add to your faith virtue, and to virtue, knowledge, etc
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Mortify the deeds of the flesh, (listening to a book on this by John Owen, a Calvinist)

Let us move on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of...

God has given us means of Grace for our sanctification

Yet God said he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. (God is the one doing the sanctification work)

While I agree, We act on our faith to be Sanctified, God will not force us, I also believe that if we have true saving faith, We will act on that faith, and every step of faith makes our faith grow. Because God proves his faithfullness. I think we must give credit where credit is due.

And I still have the same question. Must or will? There is a huge difference there.

The catch is in verse 24, IF WE BELIEVE ON HIM. The natural man cannot believe on the things of the Spirit until after he is born of the Spirit.

Justification was bought with the price of Jesus's life on the cross. He made those that he died for just before God and God looks upon them as holy and without blame. Their sins are as far away from God as the east is from the west and he remembers them no more, as far as their eternal security is concerned. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5). The Holy Spirit comes in regeneration. No Spirit, No spiritual faith. 1 Cor 2:14 explains this, that the natural man, void of the Spirit, cannot discern the things of the Spirit. No Spirit, No spiritual faith.

Exactly what I believe. But I have spoken to Calvinist who hold faith and regeneration to be similtaneous upon the hearing of the Word, the botfh happen at the same time. I wouldn't have a problem with that position

Thanks for answering brother.

I agree that not everyone is always healed. I believe it depends on God's will. I have seen some healed, and some not healed. I have been healed myself (DOCTOR VERIFIED) but there is a bunch of stuff I HAVENT been healed from.

I dont know how God operates or where, and its none of my business really.

“And this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” - 1 John 5:14

Yes, I hold that new birth is when the person hears and believes they are immedietely regenerate, fully justified, and set apart to God. Then growth needs to begin

In position we are perfect, but not in practice or maturity. I am not saying we become more saved, we are saved entirely at conversion. But it is a matter of us working out what God worked in. And it is God who works in us to will and to do of His Good Pleasure

Every text I quoted is an imperative, which means it must done. And if we are truly God's elect, it will be done, but some much slower than others, not because of God , but because of various degrees of dilligence. That is why the elect are instructed to be dilligent.