Tithing Again

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Lanolin

Lanolin

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88 said:
After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing. You can prove God as it says in Malichi 3. Tithe for a year and check out your finances... GRACE & PEACE
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This is why santa gives the poor children gifts. St Nick asked nothing in return. It was a miracle.

It has nothing to do with tithing. If you want to set aside 10 percent to get it all back at the end of the year then join a christmas club. But I personally think those schemes are a bit of a rip off as many fleece their customers. Like lotto.

If you are careful with your budget, take care of the pennies, then the pounds will take care of themselves.
Also with christmas, there is no rule that says you need to give a gift to everybody. To celebrate Jesus birhday, the only thing we need to give Him is all our praise. Thats what he loves the most. Is it the presents? No its His presence.
 
mailmandan

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Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded and obligated to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe under the Old Covenant for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant. I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back.

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
 
cv5

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posthuman said:
that part ↑

"JSM" = Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

MOTC isn't really talking to us here, making his own arguments or giving his own thoughts. he's copy-pasting Jimmy Swaggart's 'Expositor's Bible' -- just highlight a block of it & search google for the specific text; you'll get book-quotation results, word for word.

he's sold over a million of these, in several languages. it's about $100 for the leather-bound version. it's in exactly the same format MOTC has been posting, with the scripture in black and Swaggart's lengthy interjections inserted in red all throughout the text.

from a design standpoint i despise it. it's the same problem i have with the 'amplified' version, but to a much greater degree: you can't just pick this up and read scripture; there's so much addition in the middle of almost every sentence. every ounce of the flow of the narrative is gone & pragmatically, you're not reading the Bible at all, you're reading someone give you their version of it. just my opinion about the design: it doesn't amplify the scripture; it distorts it.

with Swaggart's version, all his additions are in bright red - where many of us come to expect that red-letters in the Bible mean Christ's own words - and for the bulk of it, there's a lot more words of Swaggart on each page than there is scripture.
by setting his own words inserted into the middle of the text, he's put them on par with it, and moreover, by making his own words stand out with the color choice, he's given them more importance than the actual text. i understand that it's a design choice to correlate his commentary directly with the scripture he's commenting on, but IMO it's a very bad one. there are a number of other solutions to how to format a book like this. you can put your comments in footnotes, a sidebar, or on alternating pages side by side with the text.
you don't have to insert your own words directly into the scripture, and you certainly don't have to put your own words in the color traditionally reserved for Christ's. i puke a little in my mouth reading stuff laid out like this :(
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Amen. That is sickening false prophet bombast of the most vile sort. Thanks for the heads up on Swaggart and this addled poster.
 
Dino246

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posthuman said:
post's wife informs him that currently, we actually have quite a lot of mint that's been thriving in the mild winter weather out there..

hmm
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it! ;)
 
posthuman

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Jackson123 said:
I believe gid Will reward giver If they do in the right way, but I doubt If God Will make them filthy rich

Because Jesus Himself say not easy for richman go to heaven. Why God put His child in to the situation that make them not easy to go to heaven?

Matthew 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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i agree, but He may make a man rich as He pleases. it is a great burden and test for a person's character if so
 
Dino246

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posthuman said:
sounds harsh!
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I mint to do that. ;)

Actually, now I'm wondering what mint would taste and smell like when burned in a pipe. Not that I smoke a pipe....
 
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posthuman said:
i agree, but He may make a man rich as He pleases. it is a great burden and test for a person's character if so
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His priority is salvation, Yes He may make a man earthly rich If that not make that man go to hell


Matthew 18:9

“And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”

If your million dollar money offend thee, pluck It out

It is better for thee to enter into life without money than having billion dollar to be cast into hell fire
 
posthuman

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Jackson123 said:
His priority is salvation, Yes He may make a man earthly rich If that not make that man go to hell


Matthew 18:9

“And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”

If your million dollar money offend thee, pluck It out

It is better for thee to enter into life without money than having billion dollar to be cast into hell fire
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amen


Proverbs 30:7-9
Two things I ask of you; deny them not to me before I die: Remove far from me falsehood and lying; give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me, lest I be full and deny you and say, "Who is the LORD?" or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.
 
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