Not By Works
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bill's question was not dumb.
neither was mine.
you say that we are saved by grace, then maintained by works.
o.k., if that is true, then what is the formula?
if I am to maintain my salvation by works/obedience then how many I am to do? how much disobedience will disqualify me?
I mean, if this is true, then there has to be a consistency , because God is no respecter of persons.
if your theology cannot answer questions , then it is not real theology. it's just an opinion.
neither was mine.
you say that we are saved by grace, then maintained by works.
o.k., if that is true, then what is the formula?
if I am to maintain my salvation by works/obedience then how many I am to do? how much disobedience will disqualify me?
I mean, if this is true, then there has to be a consistency , because God is no respecter of persons.
if your theology cannot answer questions , then it is not real theology. it's just an opinion.
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Abraham is one of many examples of grace-faith-works.
God spoke to Abram. ( grace ) . Abram believed God. ( faith) Abram went where he was told. ( works).
this same thing plays out over and over in the Bible. because it is the way. the only way, in that order. Grace-faith-works.
God spoke to Abram. ( grace ) . Abram believed God. ( faith) Abram went where he was told. ( works).
this same thing plays out over and over in the Bible. because it is the way. the only way, in that order. Grace-faith-works.
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The comparison is made between a MERE belief in GOD and a corpse......and again you cannot grasp the truth that JAMES is addressing a MERE BELIEF IN GOD WHICH the JEWS had, and to THIS DAY HAVE....they BELIEVE in GOD, but have NO SAVING FAITH.....this is what YOU cannot grasp because your religion has led you into this false belief that YOU, through works, must MAINTAIN that which is already ETERNALLY given dia faith......
nekros: dead
Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Definition: dead
Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.
nekros: dead
Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Definition: dead
Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.
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just sayin
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You are absolutely correct here.
James defines this dead faith as a faith that is "by itself" without works.
This is an inoperative faith, many lexicons give the correct understanding of "dead" in context of James and in context of other writers at the time.
What is dead was once alive, anyone who argues this is against sheer logic and reality
Well, I cannot stand false gospels and will hammer away until.....
a. The cows come home
b. The chickens roost
c. The sun, moon and stars quit shining
d. Hell freezes over and the gates of hell are welded shut
e. Or the Lord decides my time is up
Until then.....Biblical salvation is by grace through faith with nothing, zero, nadda, nil, zilch attached to gain eternal life in Christ.......
a. The cows come home
b. The chickens roost
c. The sun, moon and stars quit shining
d. Hell freezes over and the gates of hell are welded shut
e. Or the Lord decides my time is up
Until then.....Biblical salvation is by grace through faith with nothing, zero, nadda, nil, zilch attached to gain eternal life in Christ.......
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So by the same reasoning we can say those who believe... for a while were saved the moment they believe.
Then later when persecution came, they no longer believed, are therefore were no longer saved.
End of story.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
- lest they should believe and be saved.
Believe = Saved
- who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.
Believe for a while = Saved for a while
JPT
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