Rapture

If 70 AD was it. Where is the resurrection of the saints? Why did majority of the church miss it? Where is Jesus coming in the clouds in glory and all tribes mourning? What about "every eye shall see Him"? Yeah that didn't happen. NO RECORD in history of such events taking place.

Not only that, Jesus was supposed to setup the kingdom and earth be filled with righteousness at His return, look around buddy, this isnt righteousness.

You are right on with your claims Hevosmies. Also, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments would have had to have all taken place leading up to Christ's return, which when they take place will decimate the majority of the earths population.

It is easy for them to make their claims when they can simply allegorize/spiritualize scripture, opposed to taking it literally. One of Satan's biggest deceptions is to get people to ignore the plain literal meaning of the God's word and apply an allegorical interpretation.

I always wanted to be a Rapter and fly all around the place that would be so cool... I used to dream about it as a kid....flying and circling all over my neighborhood.

The raptors in Jurassic Park are cool too.

That's funny......are you sure?
Sounds like everyone else is checking out on the sixth trump after the dragon announces load up for Rapter Airlines Now departing gate 666.... Sounds like their all pretrib booked ready to go and tossed Ezekiel 13 in the trash.😀 Don't forget your pillows!

We might get to see them after God restores the Kingdom

Don't tell them that you'll spoil all the sixth trump Dragon party fun on Rapter Airlines.....they're all packed to go with their Ezekiel 13 free pillows and eva thin geesh man....they be buggin out!
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Looking forward to it but I will keep my distance just the same and my phaser will be set on stun.

All I know is if you believe in for÷ver then life is just a one night stand.......
And if there's a Rock &Roll
Heaven you know they got a Hell of a band!

I know subtlety. and charm and tact aren't my strong points.....being a nonconformist I have bad habits of not caring about what people think and I come off abrasive cause my own feelings are desensitized by the world judging me without knowing the content of my whole character. I don't make the best first impressions and don't loose sleep or wet my britches over it.....

I inherited some of my attitude direct from our Old Testament father who art in heaven....
Like Malachi 2:3 ....lol😀
Trying to grow to be more Lamb like but our OT Father was such a GOD above all other gods it's hard not to want to be like him.😀

Our Father not seen has not changed from the Old testament to the new? He remains God above all other gods to include our own self.

When Christ came and "temporally" clothed himself in corrupted flesh for a one time demonstration at the time of reformation. It accomplished good purpose by which God sent it in the beginning. He restored the government back to a place when there was no outward representatives and men walked by faith in respect to a king not seen. The time period of the judges.

You have a ( ? ) on your non changing God statement so I can only guess that your intent is to ask if I think that God changed or to indicate confusion. I don't think God himself changed because his plan of salvation existed from the beginning. I agree with you that priestly or ecclesiastical control changed because the curtain was rent . But priestly assumption of authority didnt change immediately as far as what they were doing because they had Paul chasing down imprisoning persecuting maybe even murdering ? Christs followers.
There was more of a change in what the actual real church was at that point than what the gov. was....but they did set up the administration of the new ministry. Not long after the Romans leveled Jerusalem so that kind of put the jew priesthood out of business also....so...?
I don't think God himself changed but the way that he was then directly dealing with man through Jesus Christ ascending to the throne and establishing new church and ministry and Kingdom changed everything and gave us the path to forgiveness life and intercession by a merciful benevolant benefactor. But no I don't think he changed he took us back to himself being King and judge like you said in the books of judges.
Christ is King I don't think Pilot ever got him to deny it did he? God is Judge ( Daniel)
means God is judge so in my view there is only one Judge one King one Lord God and the King and the Lord are one also....the King being our savior and intercessor and high priest and Lord God being our merciful Father and Judge and the Master creator we submit to direction from within by way of his Holiest Spirit of life.....
The blind now see the unseen because even in darkness what isn't seen is felt and known .
Only doubt or deception blinds.....so yes unseen maybe but not really to those of faith....because I see God everywhere in people in creation and what I dont see I feel in full faith.
I have been out of body for 26 minutes and to a heaven somewhere so unseen is unseen but because of what I did see for 26 minutes which included my own heart out of my body and being held under an eternal waterfall as I cried out father ABBA....I havent seen the face of God but I have seen his hands.
So no doubt lives in me and no doubt could live in anyone who has seen what I have seen.....because I saw my own divine healing and baptism adoption. Praise the all merciful Glorious God our Father and our Saviour in Grace Jesus Christ our victorious King!
30 years have passed but I still see the unseen and still weep in testimony of the power of the unseen and the merciful Love of the unseen!
The detail of the unseen is unbelievably indescribable
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Looks like the mocking spirit got blown out by deade.

Too funny.

Maybe now he will open his bible to 1 thes 4 ,focus on the gathering of the bride instead of the bride itself

The priesthood changed at Jesus' baptism.
JTB baptised Jesus into the priesthood.
From levi to Judah.
The new priesthood had to be from Judah,Davidic.
Jesus operated his mininistry as a priest of Judah and son of David.

We see the lineage importance in rev 5.
A lamb slain. A man. A God man. Opens the seals.
It had to be a man to do it.
It had to be a lineage from Judah

And so since you are speaking to the pure unblemished direct descent of the uncorrupted maternal bloodline is the priestly order referenced as well what is also referenced as the order of how do you spell Melkezidek ? Nazzarite teaching and Davidian branch root ...the book that instructs of Melkezidek speaks of a meeting of priests is it Abrams tribute in Genesis 14 where indication of his bloodline and name shall come doesn't it ? Or another book I am trying to recall, does The references to Melkezidek in the Eipistle to the Hebrews give creedence to 4th century discovered Gnostic books expanding on the priest? King of Salem psalm 110:4 ....Salem suspected to be Jerusalem etc....Because of priesthood changes related to the going into Babylonian captivity. My retention containment gets the 411 mixed up.... What were the statements on the root of Jesse ?

Isaiah 11......Romans 15

Nice to see someone else, posting something similar to that which I myself experienced. I called it "an event", for so many years, looking for something in the Bible equivalent to what I experienced!

T'was the "Great and Terrible Day of the Lord!" Great in His love, and very Terribly scarey, in it's revealings!
Didn't see any hands. Just His voice! And, like you, it lasted 20 minutes er thereabouts.
The Love in the Glory of His presence? I've tried to explain! The "wiping away of every tear"
Revelation 21
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Even these verses, don't give "the experience" the "justice" it desereves! No words can!
It was during this time He told me, I had "Done works attributable to Righteousness!"
There I was! My whole body spreading like melting protoplasm, all over the floor! My beating heart with Him!
Although, I must admit? There were several times after that time, I did see Him "shakin' His tail feathers, in a "Happy Dance!" T'was then I seen His hand on His back side like tail feathers on a turkey!

I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't praying or asking, or nuttin'! Just living my life, after I had just up and walked away from doing crack cocaine. Just 1 day, I said ENOUGH! "I'M DONE!"
About 2 weeks after I quit, had some pretty dreadful visions, where I seen myself rise above the bed I was sleeping on, while some half the size of a "munchkin" (green pocked from head to toe, and quite "yougly"= 10,000 uglies) "imp" crawled onto my bed, and set beside me, lifting his mouth towards the cieling, as if shouting to the heavens, and started forth with blasphemies, as a scroll unrolling from its opened mouth! It's as if my hands and feet were tied off to the 4 corners of my bedposts, as this was transpiring. Which struck me as rather odd, seeings how my bed didn't have posts of any kind on it.

The great and terrible day of the Lord, came around 6-8 weeks after that!
Changed my life FOREVER!

And, like you? I be a staunch non-conformist. Not caring what anyone thinks! Nor even bothering in the honoring of men with titles, such as "your honor" (got me kicked off jury duty, it did ), or Dr., or professor, or reverend, bishop, apostle, like the way people use titles like it's that persons first name!

I just come in CC trying my best in wittnessing, and testifying, and teaching the interpretaings that as they have been revealed unto me!
Same as you!
Crazy? Don't really care! God ain't out to win no popularity contest!

That's my story? And I'm stickin' to it!

Lets face reality about the whole rapture debate on this site. Most posters are Pre Tribbers. And nothing including hard scriptural evidence will convince them otherwise. So its a waste of time and energy going over the same ground over and over again. All I can say is that apart from a very few disputed passages from the church fathers mainly copied from Irenaeus most Christians apart from the Thessalonians and Corinthians had no knowledge of the belief prior to 1830. I conclude that people like Luther and the Wesley brothers or anyone else were not guided by the Holy Spirit because there is no mention of it in their sermons or writings. Spurgeon condemned it so we can include him as well. If this is your conclusion good luck with it.