A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

OT grace:


חָנַן

chânan


khaw-nan'


A primitive root (compare H2583); properly to bend or stoop in kindness to an inferior; to favor, bestow; causatively to implore (that is, move to favor by petition): - beseech, X fair, (be, find, shew) favour (-able), be (deal, give, grant (gracious (-ly), intreat, (be) merciful, have (shew) mercy (on, upon), have pity upon, pray, make supplication, X very.

Total KJV occurrences: 77

NT: grace:


χάρις

charis

khar'-ece


From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

Total KJV occurrences: 156


One is unmerited grace. The other is the power of Holy Spirit within us working.

Do really think that I pull stuff from the air EG?

And no need to insult. Remember the word pewsitter? I apologized.

Prophecy = gospel
Prophecy = "the revealing of concealed will". To prophesy is to declare the prophecy of God , as the word of God. example (for you shall surely die)

False Prophecy = "the revealing lying will". To prophesy is to declare the false prophecy of the father of lies , Example ( ye shall surely not die.)

One of the purposes of prophecy is the act of fortelling something, a tool used by God to prove he is the one true God. Another is it is a actuate historical record. Another it is a sealed book it becomes it own dictionary and source of how we can hear him through prophecy and the parables how they give us the unseen spiritual understanding .A accurate witness, its witness goes back to the beginning ."Let there be" and it was good ... or helps us understand a future even it remain prophecy. It what those send today with a desire to do the pleasure of God sent out with the gospel (prophecy) to do as prophets prophecy the word of God the gospel of our salvation. No need to add it it or take awy from it.

I said one time that we have misunderstanding because we don't have a good background on Jewish history and how they worshipped. Mikvah EG..

What is a mikvah?
See Article History. Alternative Titles: mikveh, miqwe. Mikvah, also spelled Mikveh
Mikveh
Mikveh or mikvah is a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism to achieve ritual purity.
en.wikipedia.org
, or Miqwe, (“collection [of water]”), in Judaism, a pool of natural water in which one bathes for the restoration of ritual purity.

It's a great study.

Someone asked me how we know what is a false spirit or Holy Spirit. This came to me yesterday as I was posting on who Holy Spirit is.

Who's your daddy? In Matthew Jesus said Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Father. So who do you call Father? Actually the scriptures say the very same thing. If we all just stuck to what they say and not try to put our own human thinking to what can be seen so easily.


Rom 8:15　 For you have not received a spirit of slavery that leads you into fear again. Instead, you have received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba! Father!"

Actually, Holy Spirit is the Spirit of both. But that's another thread and I will post there.

You mean Israel the nation? Or Israel Jacob?

I don't disagree with what you are saying here EG, but when I say church, I mean the body of Jesus on earth. But, that may not be accurate because in a church there may be both saved, and unsaved. We do know that the enemy sends those in to disrupt, but the body of Christ...the true Church of God cannot be penetrated.

So my answer would be at Pentecost.

EG
Prophesy is foretelling the future.

Stones
Most that I've heard has either been what's the will or purpose that God has for an individual or a fellowship.
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EG
I am speaking of prophecy in scriptur sis, Not hat someone today thinks it is.

The prophet confirms the purpose of God that we most usually know within. That's foretelling the future or even knowing what is present is right.

How did I say anything different?

I don't believe preaching, out of a 5 point sermon prepared is prophecy. But, one can give what sounds like a sermon completely in the anointing. Like Smith Wigglesworth. I have the collection of his sermons and they weren't all that long.

Paul would be another example. Am sure he did both.

There is nothing wrong with teaching this way. Studying and then giving what is seen in scripture. But, speaking out of the anointing is different.

Was abraham saved by grace or works

How about David? Abel? Noah? Moses? Jeremiah? Daniel? Or the people of Ninevah who repented at the teaching of Jonah?

When Ty was older (he lived till 75), the writers organization wanted to do his autobiography. He allowed 1 writer, under the condition of being Ty's servant during this period of time. It ended up being a couple of years this writer was with Ty daily, traveling to baseball events, the hall of fame, and to current games of that time period. And Ty just talked. He was brilliant in business by buying stock in many companies that ended up being big successes like Coke, stocks in big pharmacy manufacturer's, and all sorts of things. Married twice, but he loved every woman he met, so his marriages lasted about as long as a pair of socks. Ty just was lonely, and for some reason, he just talked about it all to this writer. They discussed it all from science, faith, common sense, how to chase women, it was just interesting how this all played out.

And then one day, Ty said, I have nothing more to say. He ordered the writer to pack and get off his property. The writer then and did what he was hired to do, write the Biography of Ty Cobb, from Ty's own words.


***But, it was the Baptist portions I never forgot. Ty was sincere and convinced of his beliefs. He was sold out what he was taught by the Baptist was a guaranteed 1 way ticket to Paradise. So Ty, put his human nature on full display, and called it "once saved always saved."***

This is the origin of that phrase?

I can have my mikvahs?

This is what our Lord was raised under and is the same thing going in Israel today. Sheesh EG....

The lord was raised with Scripture Stones

If you want your mikvah, You can have it, I will take the one true book God gave me.. which can not be denied.

I can have my mikvahs?

This is what our Lord was raised under and is the same thing going in Israel today. Sheesh EG....

I see. So He wasn't a practicing Jew?

Endlessly repeating falsehoods does not render them true.

Unless you're a republican

I am speaking of prophecy in scriptur sis, Not hat someone today thinks it is.


Prophesy is not teaching, Teaching is teaching,, Paul makes it clear. The gift of prophet is different than the gift of teaching.

As for speaking in someones life. Only if it can be verified. To many people think God told them to tell someone something and we come to find out it was not from God, the thing God supposedely said was either not true or could not be verified.

I gave you what the OT said concerning a prophet. The thing MUST COME TRUE.


Abraham was counted as righteous He was saved, Dabid was called a man after Gods own heart. I am not sure where this thought comes from sis. A prophet spoke as God inspired him to speak or spoke through him, No prophet speaks from self. If he did, he is no prophet. How can a prophet foretell something and that thing be true unless it be from God.



1. God spoke through them, How does not matter, it is no different than today that you can be assured
2. Baptisms? Again sis who is teaching you this stuff. A prophet had to be a man of God already his child BEFORE he could get the gift or speaking. No one did anything in the OT of any prophetic utterance unless they had the HS. The only difference between their salvation and ours is we KNOW what God did to save us, they just had faith God would save them, not knowing how.. Salvation has always been by grace through fatih. Never of works. The only baptism was the baptism of the children of levi in front of the children of Israel to show them who was priest (a symbol of what happens to us as NT priests)
3. The jews were saved by Grace, We are spiritually weashed (baptizm of the HS) and sealed (the anointing of the Holy Spirit) as the HS washes and comes into us. Thus we have available to us things they never did (except certain people) but our salvation is the same.


I gave you one example. All prophesy came the same way.

Well you still have not settled my worries.. If you explained more it did not help.

Good

I am just giving you what the bible says, It does not matter what type of tongues sis.

Teaching by Tongues? That happened in acts 2
Revelation by tongues? God reveals a truth through tngues, which can be verified.
I am just going by what paul said

Yeah and what is that? You experienced what I as a teacher, or people who prayed experienced in the power of God?
Is this another mock? How else shouid I take this?

Lol.. Really?

A woman is saved from hell when she repents and comes to christ, someone praying in tongues can not save her, once again your worrying me

BETTER CHECK THE NEWS LATELY, ALL OF THE DEMONCRATS SUSPICIONS HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE JUST FALSE CLAIMS.

Just so you know, I did not make false claims. I supported every statement with the appropriate Scriptures. So I do not care if you want to disagree with me, and still do not want to debate the subject.