A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

Well lets see


You have no idea what was said

And no one else heard what you said to interpret

So you tell me, How can I test to see if it was a message of God or some other entity, or even MY FLESH doing the speaking?

They have electronic devises today that can translate one language to another and vice versa as a way of taking the gospel into the world. .

God can move us according to the perfect. His perfect living word does not return void of the purposes as to why he sent it. But the Holy Spirit not adding any new revelations after any manner of prophecy to include when he did bring His interpretation in other languages other than Hebrew alone. (tongues) Seven seals are used to bind the perfect. He left with a warning not to add or substract from it. Does that apply?

If we look to the perfect law that defines the doctrines of Tongues... ."God mocking those with mocking lips who refuse to hear His word as the final authority in matters of faith". Once the sign is confirmed as to what it represents and who it points to. Then the rest of doctrine falls into place .

Not such thing as sign gift. Somehow that becomes a illusion replaced with a new illusion... signs are gifts?

Signs in that way confirms a curse. A proper understanding turn things right side up according to the understanding of God. Those who seek after what they call sign gifts to confirm something simply turn it upside down . God is no longer brining any new prophecy. Its how we try the Spirits to see if they are of God not seen or of men seen.

The last book as it is written by the finger of God is the book of Revelation. Need more?

You wan to hold God back, Feel free

There are tongues apart from prophesy..

And PS. There are parts of the world thaty do not have that technology. And that is a faily new technology we have had almost 2000 years since the bible was completed. Your forgetting about all those times..

If you think all tongues are prophesy, thats your first isse.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

He has not left us as orphans with no law by which we try the spirits to see if they are of God or men . So far it has stood the test of time, over two thousand years. The reference that warns us is still the last addition in that book of the law, as the prophecies of God's interpretation.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.Revelation 22:18-21

I would ask. Hold back from what, giving us the faith to hear Him?

If tongues as a sign of a curse is not in respect to those who refuse to hear prophecy then what is it a sign in respect to .Those who do believe prophecy? The opposite? It cannot represent two things a curse and a blessing. It is assigned to one as a outward sign to the whole world.

As I have said once we get the law correct as to what it confirm and who it is in respect to. Then the rest of the doctrine falls into plav as not a sign gift but a sign as a curse.

With all due respect its interesting how he begins the subject of the law and put away childish understanding. The years of wonderment. When many things are signs of growing up. (I'm still stuck at 12 going on 71)

Note... I will highlight the two different groups. Green those who do believe prophecy and therefore a God not seen walking by faith.. And Purple to represent those who have no faith needed to believe God not seen and therefore do not believe in a God not seen.

The division is between prophecy or no prophecy. I say the sign confirms no prophecy (no God's word)

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:20-22

I say tongues is a sign that confirms those who believe not prophecy (unbelievers) .Prophecy ..Gods word as his interpretation in any language he desires to interpret it to.

What do you think the sign confirms and who it is in respect to?

Dude this is not about prophesy,

Either try to figure out what we are discussing, or please, just admit you are confused at what I am asking.. and either ask again or move on.

Do you have a name for these disorders?

Yes, it's called the CC/BDF disorder. Hopefully it isn't contagious.

I know, his profile is no longer available.

Odd, he was on every day. Just noticed he wasn't in the News Forum as he usually is.

Yup, disagreed on many things but he could be pretty funny

I stopped taking him so seriously and threw a little sarcasm back. He seemed to roll with it. I think we would have come round to a better friendship in time.

Agree, being serious did not work, he liked the banter... LOL

Sigh the point being that what appeared as cloven tongues of fire resting upon the disciples was a visible manifestation of Gods righteousness in the Holy Spirit. This is not seen in the Pentecostal or charismatic tongues of modern times.

We have in the scripture no detailed information of what was spoken or how it may have appeared in the rest of Acts and only the corrections offered in 1 Cor 12-14. The Corinthians were making tongues to be something they were not for their own purposes defeating what God may have desired to do in their midst.

The concept of praying in tongues was clearly never taught in scripture. The ministry of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers is to open the word of God to enable them to grow in the admonition and nurture of the Lord Jesus.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No, you are wrong, the REAL TONGUES was for the Unbelieving Jews. Every thing else is a Counterfeit.


1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (NIV)
21 In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people [ISRAEL], but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.
22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

Hi Waggles,

Sign gifts like speaking in tongue comes after one believes the preaching of the gospel or the word to strengthen or validate the message as this was used in the early church in its infancy. The book of Acts records events the use of these gifts including speaking in tongues since they are needed to establish the early church but as soon s the completion of the the New testament writings, the sign gift like speaking in tongue is meant to stop, cease or discontinue.

While I believe in the longer ending of Mark, the sign gift like tongue doesn't mean it will continue to "follow" them that believe, immediately as soon as completion of the scripture, speaking in tongue will come to its end. Whether they be tongues it shall cease as recorded by Paul in the book of 1 Corinthians.

Now, you have just quoted a mistranslated word in verse 17 that sign gift "accompany" those that believe. "Accompany" is not a correct word in the English as far as translation is concerned. "Accompany" is to combined which is not the way it is to be. The signs are as a result of the gospel preaching. Whether you go to Greek or not, the Greek simply means to follow. To give you a background the word "accompany" is rooted in a wrong definition given by Strong. In fact what you just quoted is also wrong in verse 15 to the word "creation". but this off topic.

Scripture doesn't bear that out brother. Tongues wasn't only for unbelieving Jews.

You are right, we should find out, because it is BIBLICAL to Pray for One Another in a language we ALL UNDERSTAND.

Yes unbelief or no faith of any nation as Atheistic sign to the whole world .God does not give signs to one nation that will not effect another.

Hear the word of God and believe Him, the one interpreter .Yet for all that they still refuse to hear prophecy. God is still sending the same strong delusion to those who reject the whole Bible as one book .He will not change his mind but remains our solid rock of defenseour mighty fortress in time of need. .