Mystery Babylon

No you ignore much. I never said God would go back on his promise. YOU Did because you said the man of sin would make and break a covenant. GOd doesnt break HIs covenant, and Hes the one who makes it.

We dont make a covenant, God does. JEsus then renews this covenant. We get to partake in it.

You are obviously talking about something else in your imagination. That makes no sense.

The man of sin WILL make and break his covenant.

God is not the one who makes that 1 week covenant with many. If you think he is, your mistaken.

Again, Your talking. About the WRONG covenant,

God made an eternal covenant. I am talking about the 7 year covenant the prince who is to come will make in Dan 9. Where it also says in the middle of that week (7 years) he will break that covenant.

You obviously are not understandable of alot of prophesy.

Well you not explaining it very well, cos there isnt a 7 year covenant that a prince will make. What kind of covenant. Only God makes covenants because He is always faithful to do what is promised. Men cant make them with men why because men arent always faithful. As history shows.

When Jesus made the new convenant, he paid for it with His blood. Man cant pay for it with their blood, or the blood of animals its only through Jesus blood it can ever be eternal.

Anyone who thinks they can make a covenant for just seven years is being a bit foolish. Maybe they can make a treaty or agreement, or an oath but thats quite different from Gods covenant.

you know. I am about sick of this crap.

Dan 9:
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

Your argument is with the word of God not me.

Nope. YOu are not reading the whole chapter. You are the one whos arguing with God and making it out to besomething completely different! Lol

Read carefully verses 25 it says Messiah the Prince.

This is Jesus.

JESUS confirms the covenant. It says abosolutely nothing about BREAKING it.
How does he confirm it, with His blood!

He causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease, how...by giving HIs life as a sacrifce.

You ignored everything after vs 25.

Jesus did nat confirm a 7 year agreement or covenant with anyone, He MADE and ETERNAL covenant with his own blood.

How you get 7 years out of eternal is beyond all comprehension. And he did not break the covenant by commiting the abomination of desolation. Jesus told us, when we see the abomination spoken of by Daniel... He inferred it was not him, but a future prince.

You just made things worse, not better man, Once again, READ (with an open heart and mind)

You ignored everything before verse 25.
And you are confusing YOURSELF.

I am not getting 7 years out of anything, you are.
Jesus was speaking of the crucifixtion. Wasnt that an abomination. A human sacrifice?
Jesus was the prince. Think about it. GOd wants to hand his kingdom to his son...his son is the prince. It even says in Daniels prophecy 'Messiah, the prince. '

The seven weeks refer to how long Israel had to be forgiven. It says Jesus CONFIRMS the covenant, not break it! Why would it be cut off, because the cut of date is the crucifixtion when the old becomes new.
Wasnt the curcifixtion in the holy place...in Jerusalem. JEsus blood was placed on the mercy seat, thats the holiest of holies.

You seem to be imagining something else where a man of sin makes a covenant! How can that be, why would a sinful man make a covenant. All covenants are initiated by God!

Please dont confuse youself and imagine something else that isnt even there.

Am curious about the seven mountains...if its Rome, can you name the seven mountains it sits on?

If its Jerusalem which seven mountains would be in Jerusalem.

Thinking if mountains mentioned in the Bible...

Mount zion
Mount hebron
Mount gerazim
Mount of olives
Mount sinai..?

Some of these mounatains might be named twice.

Here are some things to consider... first of all, I think the text says something like "confirm/strengthen" the covenant (not "create" one, like a wholly new one); and secondly, consider that scripture refers to "my covenant"/"the covenant I made with you" things like that, but also says (in one place) "YOUR covenant..." (a not good one); thirdly, here's something I wrote awhile back (just a portion of it, to try to keep this post short):

[quoting my previous post]

...the two "prince" of Daniel 9--one in verse 25 [referring to Jesus and Lk19:41-44/Zech9:9 having to do particularly with "the city"]... the other in verses 26,27

--if referring to just one singular "prince" throughout, then the words "___THAT SHALL COME" would be superfluous. If verse 26 were referring to the same "prince" as in verse 25, then merely to say something like "he" or "the prince" would be sufficient to be speaking of him [/same]. But since the words "[prince] THAT SHALL COME" is added (which would be unnecessary otherwise), this shows a separate person/prince (from the one in verse 25)

--the passage seems to be sequential, in that "FROM... UNTO the messiah the prince [Jesus]" happens first;
then his "shall be cut off but not for himself [or, and have nothing]" happens next;
then "the people [OF the prince THAT SHALL COME]" shall destroy the city and the sanctuary follows that;
then, finally, "the prince THAT SHALL COME" shall confirm the covenant with the many "FOR ONE WEEK [7-yrs]" [far future] which SEQUENCE agrees with other passages elsewhere

--"the prince THAT SHALL COME" (Dan9:26) correlates with the "whose COMING/advent/arrival/presence/parousia" of 2Th2:9a (with 2Th2 chpt covering the entire SPAN OF the 7 years: BEGINNING-2Th2:9a; MIDDLE-2Th2:4; END-2Th2:8b [same as Dan9:27 does])

--so that, Dan9:26[27a] parallels 2Th2:9 at the START of the 7 years, as well as Seal #1 rider on the white horse with a "bow" (which often means "deceit/deception") which is parallel to the FIRST "birth PANG" (of "the beginning of birth PANGS") in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" (which would be "the man of sin be revealed" at the START of the 7 years, not at its middle nor at its end--2Th2 is covering all 7 years of the tribulation period, just as the Olivet Discourse [except for the portion in Luke 21:12-24 about the events of 70ad, and fitting earlier in this chronology/sequence, with Lk21:20 speaking of the "Jerusalem compassed with armies" and verse 23's "great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people" and verse 24's "shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all the nations..."]).


[end of that portion of my post; there's more, but this is sufficient for the moment and the current discussion ]


Consider these.

no, I am not ignoring anything

If you read before vs 25. You see Daniel was talkin gabout his people. His nation and his city and temple. That is the context of dan 9. Not the cross. Not christianity. Not the salvation of anyone. But Gods promise to ISRAEL.

And i did not pick the term 7 out of my you know what. It is in the passage.

And HE SHAL CONFIRM A COVENANT FOR ! WEEK. As established, One week in context = 7 years.

Good day sir.

Also take a look at how the word in Dan9:27 (H1285 - berith [a covenant]) is used elsewhere [to list just a few]:

--the 9th time is used (of H1285) in Genesis 14:13 [the first war?]

--in Genesis 21:27

--in Genesis 21:32

--in Exodus 23:32

--in 2 Samuel 3:12

--in Job 5:23

--in Obadiah 1:7

Here [is] the mind that hath wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains where the woman sitteth upon them, and are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come, and when he shall come, he must continue a little time. And the beast that was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is out of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The seven hills are KINGS. NOT simply physical terrain.

Also since Babylon is used to explain this mystery we need to consider the origins of Babylon which was before the Roman Catholic system. There is more to this mystery than the Roman Catholic Church. This goes all the way back to Nimrod.

More like back to Egypt........based upon what I have studied.....

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the mist he will he shall cause the sacrifices and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.

Notice the difference in the translation used.

Different translations can easily lead to different understanding.

What about proper grammar?
Is it proper to use the pronoun HE before identifying who He is in previous dialogue?
Is the antichrist mentioned in previous dialogue?
The Messiah the Prince is, but I do not see the antichrist mentioned at any point in the previous verses.

I thought there were seven heads of the beast which are seven mountains which the woman sits in AND seven kings. Not that they were all the same thing. Cos it doesnt read that way.

Well the rcc is just some peoples interpretation of it, why John didnt just say ITS ROME when Rome was actually around when revelation was written, seems rather ..obscure. Especially when, Paul had written an entire letter to the Romans.

He never wrote a letter to the Babylonians but Peter actually mentioned the church that is at Babylon in 1 Peter 5:13

So yea explain that one.

Gods promise to israel is Jesus salvation. He is their redeemer. And that includes their land. Didnt you know that? CHrist is the seed of abraham!

Seems you arent really putting two and two together.

You must be writing about yourself, for you know nothing about Daniel's 70 week prophecy.

It's also interesting how Jesus speaks to Peter.

Matthew 18:21 - 22 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

So in other words, as many times as God forgave Israel (for the full duration of the prophecy of Daniel, up to the destruction of Jerusalem).

Actually he is

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And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

As you can see, there are two princes

1. Messiah the prince, who is killed at the end of the 69th week.
2. The prince who is to come, whose people destroy the sanctuary and city

Reading the text you can see clearly...

1. He will come out of rome (the people who destroyed the temple in 70 AD
2. It will occure AFTER the end of war desolations which are determined (ie, an unknown period of time, I would suggest ONLY God knows this time,
3. He not only confirms a 7 year covenant, he breaked it after three years with the abomination of desolation.