Eternal torment VS Annihilation

Matthew 25:46 is clear too. If one limits eternal punishment, then one is also limiting eternal life. From the grammar either both are eternal or both are not eternal.

2. Everlasting Life/Everlasting Contempt
Daniel 12:1-2
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3. Eternal Fire/The Fire of Hell
Matthew 18:6-9
Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown

into the eternal fire.

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.


....or two feed to be throw. Into the eternal fire

Thank you so far you are the only one to actually respond with an answer and not some side step of an answer. I appreciate that very much. Sodom and Gomorrah were have said to be burned up with eternal fire but if you go to where they were located they are not still burning today which means once the fuel was burned up the fire went out, however, Sodom and Gomorrah is eternally gone.

Thank you so far you are the only one to actually respond with an answer and not some side step of an answer. I appreciate that very much. Sodom and Gomorrah were have said to be burned up with eternal fire but if you go to where they were located they are not still burning today which means once the fuel was burned up the fire went out, however, Sodom and Gomorrah is eternally gone.

Hi Jesus Lives, I've been studying quite a lot on this subject lately, stumbled across a few new thoughts about it .....God is the eternal fire. I think it's actually referencing the Almighty. He is the consuming fire. What say you?

Good day JesusLives!

"Then the LORD rained down brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus He destroyed these cities and the entire plain, including all the inhabitants of the cities and everything that grew on the ground."

Where in the scripture above do you read that Sodom and Gomorrah were burned up with "eternal fire"?

If you are attempting to use this to show that the lake of fire is not everlasting punishment in fire, the above scripture does not prove that. It simply shows that God burned up their physical bodies. According to the information listed in the rich man and Lazarus, once the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were physically killed, their spirits would have gone down into Sheol/Hades being in torment in flame, just as the rich man did.

So, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was a physical destruction of the cities, the bodies of the people and everything else that was in that area, which cannot be compared to the eternal conscious punishment of the lake of fire.

Thank you so far you are the only one to actually respond with an answer and not some side step of an answer. I appreciate that very much. Sodom and Gomorrah were have said to be burned up with eternal fire but if you go to where they were located they are not still burning today which means once the fuel was burned up the fire went out, however, Sodom and Gomorrah is eternally gone.

The punishment start at sodom, than continue to hell. Eternal hell

Jude 1:7 In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.

Correct. One would think that this would be obvious to all.

Correct. One would think that this would be obvious to all.

Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of those who will suffer eternal punishment. How is it that you people ignore the word "eternal?" You're misinterpreting the scripture in order to support your claim that just as the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah was temporary, so you apply it eternal fire as being temporary, which is false.

As I asked in the previous post, what do you think happened to the spirits of those people of Sodom and Gomorrah after their bodies were killed by the fire and sulfur? Their spirits would have departed from their bodies would have gone down into Sheol/Hades where they would begin their eternal punishment, just like the rich man of Lazarus fame.

"And they (wicked) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

The word "aionios" translated "eternal" is used to describe the results of both the wicked and the righteous. The word can refer to a cycle of time, an age, never ending and having no beginning or ending. Therefore, whatever you interpret the word meaning for one group, must be the same for the other. For example, if you say that the eternal punishment of the wicked is temporary, then eternal life for the righteous would also have to be temporary and that because the same word is used for both groups. It cannot mean temporary for one and never ending for the other.

How is it that you and others ignore the supportive words for "forever and ever, everlasting, eternal and having no rest day or night" and change the meaning into temporary punishment?

Those whose names are not found written in the book of life will suffer the same fate that the beast, the false prophet and Satan do:

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Does being tormented day and night forever and ever sound like temporary punishment to you?

I believe the city of sodom and gomorah is consist of building and human.

Building can not commit sin. Gid not punish the building, but human.

God punish Human in the city of sodom with eternal punishment not temporary.

The punishment start at sodom, than continue to hell. Eternal hell

God did not promise eternal life to the wicked God said the wages of sin is DEATH.

When they are burned up they will be eternally gone forever punished and DEAD.

God did not promise eternal life to the wicked God said the wages of sin is DEATH. When they are burned up they will be eternally gone forever punished and DEAD.

Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of those who will suffer eternal punishment. How is it that you people ignore the word "eternal?" You're misinterpreting the scripture in order to support your claim that just as the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah was temporary, so you apply it eternal fire as being temporary, which is false.

As I asked in the previous post, what do you think happened to the spirits of those people of Sodom and Gomorrah after their bodies were killed by the fire and sulfur? Their spirits would have departed from their bodies would have gone down into Sheol/Hades where they would begin their eternal punishment, just like the rich man of Lazarus fame.

"And they (wicked) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

The word "aionios" translated "eternal" is used to describe the results of both the wicked and the righteous. The word can refer to a cycle of time, an age, never ending and having no beginning or ending. Therefore, whatever you interpret the word meaning for one group, must be the same for the other. For example, if you say that the eternal punishment of the wicked is temporary, then eternal life for the righteous would also have to be temporary and that because the same word is used for both groups. It cannot mean temporary for one and never ending for the other.

How is it that you and others ignore the supportive words for "forever and ever, everlasting, eternal and having no rest day or night" and change the meaning into temporary punishment?

Those whose names are not found written in the book of life will suffer the same fate that the beast, the false prophet and Satan do:

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Does being tormented day and night forever and ever sound like temporary punishment to you?

I believe the city of sodom and gomorah is consist of building and human.

Building can not commit sin. Gid not punish the building, but human.

God punish Human in the city of sodom with eternal punishment not temporary.

The punishment start at sodom, than continue to hell. Eternal hell

Why are you confusing eternal torment with eternal life?

God did not say EXTINCTION, ANNIHILATION, OR VAPORIZATION.

How do people manage to confuse themselves so seriously when the Bible is plain and clear?

He sort of did. [Psalm 37:20 (But the wicked will perish: Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.)] (This verse and the above verse in post #477 are both from the New International Version bible) It says to me that they will be burned up and disappear into smoke.

You need to remember that inanimate objects can get stained, so to speak, by the sins of those living in or near them. That is one reason why murderers were to be killed. [Numbers 35:33-34 (33 “‘Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land,and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it. 34 Do not defile the land where you live and where I dwell, for I, the Lord, dwell among the Israelites.’” )] Granted, it only references shed blood, but I recall other verses where God said that the sins had ruined the land. Wish I could find those in a hurry.