Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

We get to care for others to action. We get to believe, enough to yearn for His fellowship. We get to worship the One who delights over us and our hearts desire to seek things in the heavenly realm. We get to know the truth of Jeremiah 15:16. We get to have the blood of Christ bring us familial relationships. We are so blessed with Him from taking our salvation from have to or else to having the laws put in our hearts so we get to.

I can think of nothing more pure, more holy, more productive than Him. We get to abide in Him, seeking His Will for our lives. We are so blessed. Thank You!!! Oh Lord, may all that we say and do be with a sincere intention draw nearer to you for no other reason than we love and honor You. You have given us the priceless opportunity to fellowship with Your presence in our lives. We get to be holy, set apart, because You are. On my own, I am the opposite. I am like Paul, a chief among sinners.

We get to be forgiven, brings me to my knees all that He has done for all of us. We get to love and we even get to suffer (not easy, (boy do I stumble), but with His Yoke the burden is light and rest is found).

Love to all of you, brothers and sisters, those who share the same blood of Christ in their hearts.

Why not post the next verse for context?
2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV)
[13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

If I correctly understand your analogy

A dog is a sinner

New creation is sinless

When creator make the dog into new creation, impossible for them to be back to a dog

When Jesus make a sinner into sinless, it is impossible for the sinless back to a sinner.

Adam and Eve was sinless and they make themselves a sinner

So it is possible for creation to change the self from sinless into sinner.

I had already previously mentioned that love is the greater quality of the three because God is love and it outlasts them all. Long after faith and hope are no longer necessary throughout eternity, love will still be the governing principle that controls everything that God and his redeemed people/saints are and do. We will not need faith and hope throughout eternity in our glorified bodies in the presence of the Lord. Faith IN CHRIST alone saves (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9)

In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10). We are not saved by faith + love/works.

In James 2:17-20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith (which is like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree) or that works are the source of life in faith or that we are saved by works. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works is dead. If someone says-claims they have faith but lack resulting evidential works, then he has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. Simple!

1 John 2:3-4 seperates the genuine believers from the make believers/says I know Him but... You continue to confuse the root of salvation (FAITH) with the fruit of salvation (WORKS) and the end result is salvation by works.

After a superficial reading of the parable of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-46) "on the surface" these verses seem to suggest that salvation is the result of good works, yet all scripture proves itself right and non-contradictory when compared with the totality of scripture. This passage has to be taken alongside the whole of scripture. Jesus was not advocating salvation by works. That would be contrary to (Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5) etc... One's works are an effect of (and therefore indication of) one's salvation status, rather than being a cause of one's salvation. The good deeds mentioned in Matthew 25:35-36 are merely the fruit that will be manifest in the lives of the redeemed. Those who are placed at Christ's right hand are not there based on the merits of their good deeds, but because the righteousness of God has been imputed to them (Romans 4:2-6; Philippians 3:9).

When works are mentioned in connection with salvation, the works are always the result of, not the condition of, receiving salvation. The stress is on works as a manifestation of one's faith (or lack thereof), not simply on the faith from which these works follow. So it is understandable that in this context, Matthew would stress the works that are a manifestation of faith in Christ, by which one receives eternal life.

*Notice how love for other Christians is an indication of one's salvation status: 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. He who practices righteousness and loves his brother does so BECAUSE he is "of God" not to become of God. 1 John 3:14 - We know that we have (past tense) passed from death to life, because we love our brothers (present tense). Loving our brothers is the result of, not the condition of passing from death to life. Doing good deeds is the result of and not the cause of being righteous. You have the tail wagging the dog. The cart before the horse.

first of all, Abraham's faith that was counted for righteousness stemmed from his willingness to do God's Will and sacrifice his son Isaac as the Lord commanded .. so, obedience to God's command was a significant part of it all .. Abraham trusted God to only ask what was best ..

I never said "repent" means "feeling sorry" for one's sinfulness .. first of all, "feeling" sorry is not what would count anyway .. "being" sorry is what would count .. but repent means turning back to God (sin leads us away from God) and means changing back to doing God's Will instead of our own will .. I am fully aware of all the passages that tend to make OSAS a done deal as believed by its followers but there are so very many other passages which clearly say the destinations of the righteous and unrighteous for eternity and OSAS will not save an unrighteous person .. since I am well aware of passages that tend to support OSAS as its believers believe, are you not as familiar with the passages upon which I base my refuting OSAS as believed .. if OSAS is only about believing, then why isn't Satan saved - he believes .. Satan isn't saved coz he refuses to submit and obey God's Will and so do the unrighteous, some of whom are ones who are relying on OSAS and are being deceived big time

are you saying you never sin? .. seems so and if so, you are a liar and lying is a sin - a very great sin .. oh, and no animal can sin .. only mankind can choose to sin or not ..

I agree: that is why I insist that we are not saved by "faith alone"

Why not post the next verse for context?
2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV)
[13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

So you agree that after save you able to sin again, am I correct?

Satan does not have a Savior to believe IN.

I know every passage, that attempts to refute the assurance and complete assurance of the believer and in /historical/linguistical/audience context they fail each and every time.

And scripture is very clear when Abraham was counted righteous based on his faith alone apart from works

God is never, ever, ever in our debt!
We add nothing to salvation, God does not give us eternal life based on our performance and behaviour
This is the only Gospel in the entire Bible....ONE TRUTH with no fifty shades

Romans 4 1-5

4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Oh Lord,

May we never forget that those who have a sincere intention to draw closer to but struggle to.

May we walk with them.

Are you not able to sin after being saved?

I am able to sin after being save, that is why I believe salvation can be lost

We are saved by faith alone apart from works when we come to the Lord and are saved, that is what "faith alone" refers to, it is refering to the point of salvation.

[This] really [/needs] a bit [more] 'splaining -

Then every time you sin you have lost your salvation?

Surely we are saved by faith alone.

But that faith will

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

That faith will manifest in us the good works in us prepared for us before we were saved by faith.

Our good works do not save us neither will our bad works unsave us (ok not sure if unsave us is a word but I'll go with it).

The point is we will endeavour to walk in those works and when we don't, we fess up to God, agree we got it wrong and ask for help, thank him we are forgiven.

Every time I sin I ask Him to forgive me. If I kill a person and not fell guilty than rob the bank for living and never fell sorry, I will lose my salvation.

You may believe after you save, you welcome to chose to robe the bank as a job and not lose your salvation don't you?

nice that someone agrees with me .. any who do not do God's Will and do not repent for such are not going to have eternal life in heaven and why so many think they will boggles my mind .. there will be NO unrepentant sinners in heaven, only repentant ones ..