Not By Works

Proud of your diagnosis... wow and I did not even have to pay, my lucky day.

If this makes any sense ........but your are so offensive that you are actually unoffensive... probably this is connected to the value I place on your posts.

Best you go rethink, pray and mostly stop contradicting plain scripture because that is really not a good thing.

I myself have a pile of work to do which I have neglected. Farewell

The statistics you cited are deeply saddening. Our church leaders are failing the masses.

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He surely did, we thank Him daily for this -
ROMANS 10:20.
But Esaias is very bold, and saith,
I was found of them that sought Me(Christ) not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after Me(Christ).

To me, this prophesy means; those that did not even seek God, were found by God, but those that God is calling His people, the ones that God's word came to, fail because of lack of knowledge. God has stretched wide open His hands but they reject Him.

The reason judgement day as shown in Matthew 25 is full of surprises.

Then you would be wrong. Salvation is of the Human Spirit, and bodily resurrection is a promise because HE WAS RAISED.


John 3:3-7 (NASB)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
[That BORN AGAIN is not talking about the BODY, but rather, it is talking about the Human Spirit.]

John 5:24 (HCSB)
24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life [the body will die, Human Spirit is now Eternal] and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life. [in the Human Spirit.]

Luke 19:9 (HCSB)
9 “Today salvation has come to this house,” Jesus told him, “because he too is a son of Abraham.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (NRSV)
2 For he says, "At an acceptable time I have listened to you, and on a day of salvation I have helped you." See, now is the acceptable time; see, now is the day of salvation!


Salvation is A FREE GIFT that effects the Human Spirit and it's way of thinking, and this body will die. Yes, there will be a resurrection of the Glorified Body, but that is not SALVATION, we already have received SALVATION when our Human Spirit was BORN AGAIN.


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began. ⮈See, that is how long again, our Human Spirit, was saved, waiting for us to receive HIM.

Never.

Just in case, for that one, I'll take the heat.

Not. about. me. Not about truth. About any and every "doctrine" that leads to others believing a lie.

About what leads to the false belief that you have been saved, and that is eternal, and those believing they have it when they don't but they never even question their state, ever again till the day they stand before God and He says I never knew you.

Is there anyone acknowledgeing the Evil that exists and is working night and day to steal the souls of Gods Children?

It says worship me. Not the true God. The easy God.

Human nature, especially human nature void of Gods truth, will always go for the easy A. You get a hold of someone in a weakened state of life searching for a moment and give them this doctrine that says "all you have to do, be saved forever is" and for a moment they jump all over that, then life distracts and they walk away taking with them this false belief, "believing" they have received something they have not. It makes the Word of God of no effect. It removes the need to 'continue seeking' after Him. They want to hear nothing that will take that belief away. They may even believe "ignorance" will help.

Do they really need to study the Word? Not no more, they were saved once. Do they need to pray and repent and talk to God everyday? No, they did that once and no one can take that away. But "we" know there is nothing to take away

This is not about the "captured by Christ" This is about "the doctrine" of it and how it can and is being used by the "evil" of this air, to easily deceive those so that they never have a chance.

I was not looking for this UG, but just reading Ephesians this morning out of the Complete Jewish Bible. This is what it says about speaking the truth in love.

Ephesians 5

11 Furthermore, he gave some people as emissaries, some as prophets, some as proclaimers of the Good News, and some as shepherds and teachers.

12 Their task is to equip God’s people for the work of service that builds the body of the Messiah,

13 until we all arrive at the unity implied by trusting and knowing the Son of God, at full manhood, at the standard of maturity set by the Messiah’s perfection.

14 We will then no longer be infants tossed about by the waves and blown along by every wind of teaching, at the mercy of people clever in devising ways to deceive.

15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in every respect grow up into him who is the head, the Messiah.

16 Under his control, the whole body is being fitted and held together by the support of every joint, with each part working to fulfill its function; this is how the body grows and builds itself up in love.

Under His Control. That’s what stood out to me.

Faith is a gift, true amen. But, it’s not a work pertaining to us, it’s the gift that grows each time we see the results of faith from Father. Strengthens might be a better way to explain.

I am offensive? I repeat again Jesus is my Lord, the one I follow. If I am offensive to you then so
is my Lord. You cannot hold with Jesus and reject those who listen and follow His voice.

Did you not learn this in your discipleship? Loving the body of Christ is being part of Christ.
So are you a dear sister or one who is in rebellion?

I agree faith is a gift. But also faith is an action. Faith without action is dead.
I have been in so many situations, where I wanted the Lord to confirm something to my heart.
Until I responded and took action, only then did the conviction and blessing came.

So I am a slow learner. I have learnt the Lord gives and shares, but unless we move it is not there.
I seems wrong to our logic, but this is spiritual reality, and so many times we are commanded not
to test the Lord, but to ask when in need, and our gracious Lord will answer. It is what I have found
in my life.

God bless you

Just giving that a practical application on bible discussion board.

Endure is the word Noose, and if you read the whole of the scripture in context, the author is asking in the day of trouble, will you remain in my love?

I have a poem that was given to me...inspired...and in it that very question was asked will it be enough in the day of our trouble? What do we do. The answer from Holy Spirit was to shine with the light that we have been given. It’s brighter than day of our sun.

My Child, it's not sacrifice that I am pleased with
I gave You the best gift that man cannot match.

It's your yes and amen, I believe You My Father
Yes Lord I trust You...my heart is stedfast..

But is that enough O My Father to trust You?
Can I stand fast in the day of our trouble?
What will we do when our days rise up evil?
And darkness is covering this land?

You shine like the Son with the light I have given
My Child it is brighter than day of your sun.
I've given you oil in your lamp and will guide you
Your footsteps won't falter, your race will be won

His work working in us. Believe is our obedience.

If your faith is in GOD, HIS PROMISES and in HIS WORK.

Why would you EVER QUESTION ANYTHING AGAIN?

If you HAVE TO QUESTION your status, You are NOT PLACING YOUR FAIHT IN GOD! PERIOD!

That is NOT ENTERING HIS REST!

And I do not care if your a man or woman, If you say we have to question our eternity, Your not placing your faith in CHRiST, PERIOD!

I’m so far behind so sorry...but

David did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit. His anointing was upon not within.

I do agree with what you are saying about all the world is saved. The stone in the road is the rock called Christ though who has to be picked up. Received to benefit. Not received? No change of nature. Cannot dwell with Father without.

It is clear on a forum such as this we look at these issues differently.
Telling others they are wrong and need to do something else is not going to work.

Understanding and seeing with respect each others position works, respect the individuals and
sees there is a good heart intention involved.

If one side say you are in sin, evil, deceived, doomed to hell individual is not really a good starting
place. If someone says I sin daily and God does not mind, I lie, speed, get annoyed, want to murder
people, steal, slander but hey thats all in a days work, there may be a hard road to climb.

You might notice the open sinner saying there is sin in another is not actually on good ground.
How do they know? How can they see beyond their own sin and failure? Do they even know what
victory and success look like? Holiness, purity, blamelessness, loving, having patience, self control,
endurance etc. From this thread alone, just reading posts is enough to send some over the edge.
On both sides, which is why conflicts can erupt too easily. God bless you all.

If He is speaking to you personally to do something, then yes, your action would be the response to His Voice, but the act itself would be in His power, would it not? Even faith itself being the gift of God is action on His part, not ours. Faith is active. Spirit.

Also noose, I think your understanding of Holy Spirit needs some experience? He is a very real Presence.