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John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus honestly professed to be more than just a son.
We are but sons.
We are not God.
Jesus is God, and admitted it more than once.
He was around and active since before creation.
Long before He manifested in the flesh.
We are part of creation.
Jesus is beyond creation.
(if you are aware the Jesus is God and we are not His equal, then I misundstood your intentions)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus honestly professed to be more than just a son.
We are but sons.
We are not God.
Jesus is God, and admitted it more than once.
He was around and active since before creation.
Long before He manifested in the flesh.
We are part of creation.
Jesus is beyond creation.
(if you are aware the Jesus is God and we are not His equal, then I misundstood your intentions)
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How can I be in Christ Jesus and not be what He is?
Why is it so diffuicult to belive those who are born of the Spirit are one IN Christ. It is a fact that the carnal man can never inherit the Kingdom of God. The man who is reborn is no longer carnal but inheites the nature of God. This is achieved through grace by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. We who are born again are also righteous. We are the righteounesses of God IN Christ Jesus. When God sees those who are born again HE sees what His Son has achived through His sacrifice. Being made perfect in the eyes of God frees us from gilt that we might conform to the image of His Son. Blessed are they whos sins have been forgiven.
Why is it so diffuicult to belive those who are born of the Spirit are one IN Christ. It is a fact that the carnal man can never inherit the Kingdom of God. The man who is reborn is no longer carnal but inheites the nature of God. This is achieved through grace by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. We who are born again are also righteous. We are the righteounesses of God IN Christ Jesus. When God sees those who are born again HE sees what His Son has achived through His sacrifice. Being made perfect in the eyes of God frees us from gilt that we might conform to the image of His Son. Blessed are they whos sins have been forgiven.
Of course you avoid to answer...
Well you are not God, you even made a spelling error in the last page(satin/satan)...🙄(and this post... unless fathers now have childerns)
You don't know my name...
So not only are you imperfect, you are far from all knowing.
If you think you're God and I expose to you how wrong you are, that is not a "dark turn".
That is an attempt to shine light on the truth, wether you are blind to it or not.
...sorry man...
Well you are not God, you even made a spelling error in the last page(satin/satan)...🙄(and this post... unless fathers now have childerns)
You don't know my name...
So not only are you imperfect, you are far from all knowing.
If you think you're God and I expose to you how wrong you are, that is not a "dark turn".
That is an attempt to shine light on the truth, wether you are blind to it or not.
...sorry man...
Hey Tabin,
I think the analogy you used above sounds fine.
Sometimes it's just a matter of how we say a thing.
If we say that it just pleased God to have a family, that works out fine theological.
If we say God felt lonely, or he needed a family, then that causes theological problems.
FYI, I've heard absolutely brilliant people misstate some of these things, because they just haven't studied, or thought about, these particular things.
The REASON I'm being so nitpicky about the "particular language" we use to describe God's purposes, is because that's a thing which leads to 2 really huge problems.
1. If we state God's purposes inarticulately, it can lead to all kinds of weird heresies based on misunderstanding God's NATURE.
(Most orthodox believers have a perfectly biblical understanding of God's nature, and I'm sure that includes you. But a lot of weird heresies come from getting parts of his nature wrong. So we need to be careful in HOW we talk about it.)
2. Atheists use this very issue to attack the existence of God, so this actually becomes an issue in apologetics.
Atheists actually bring this up in an effort to attack the existence of God. They first trick us into saying God created us out of a "need", then they show, with our own words, that a "need" shows a clear lack of perfection. Once they show God is "not perfect", and that our beliefs have internal coherency problems... they just keep going from there.
Hope you have a great weekend.
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I think the analogy you used above sounds fine.
Sometimes it's just a matter of how we say a thing.
If we say that it just pleased God to have a family, that works out fine theological.
If we say God felt lonely, or he needed a family, then that causes theological problems.
FYI, I've heard absolutely brilliant people misstate some of these things, because they just haven't studied, or thought about, these particular things.
The REASON I'm being so nitpicky about the "particular language" we use to describe God's purposes, is because that's a thing which leads to 2 really huge problems.
1. If we state God's purposes inarticulately, it can lead to all kinds of weird heresies based on misunderstanding God's NATURE.
(Most orthodox believers have a perfectly biblical understanding of God's nature, and I'm sure that includes you. But a lot of weird heresies come from getting parts of his nature wrong. So we need to be careful in HOW we talk about it.)
2. Atheists use this very issue to attack the existence of God, so this actually becomes an issue in apologetics.
Atheists actually bring this up in an effort to attack the existence of God. They first trick us into saying God created us out of a "need", then they show, with our own words, that a "need" shows a clear lack of perfection. Once they show God is "not perfect", and that our beliefs have internal coherency problems... they just keep going from there.
Hope you have a great weekend.
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