not of works, but created in Christ unto good works

Are you saying the first man was disobedient because he wasn’t GODs child?If that’s what you are saying then you are missing the point.The point Is Adam had a choice and he CHOSE,to listen to his own desire.

From us.

The "KINGDOM OF GOD" is not referring to eternal heaven, but to the church. The church that Jesus set up is called by many different names in the scriptures. When Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him he washed them as white as snow. No sin that they do will hinder them from having eternal life.

The "KINGDOM OF GOD" is not referring to eternal heaven, but to the church. The church that Jesus set up is called by many different names in the scriptures. When Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him he washed them as white as snow. No sin that they do will hinder them from having eternal life.

Abiding in Christ is when we are following his commandments. None of us can continually abide in him without yielding our bodies to the lust of the things of the world, which makes it necessary to repent. We, at the times when we are walking in the flesh (sinning) do not lose our eternal salvation, but we do lose our fellowship with God until we repent. When we repent and God forgives us, we have been saved (delivered) from the results of our sin.

Salvation, according to Strong's definition means "a deliverance". God would not tell us that eternal deliverance is not by our works, and then turn around and tell us to work out our eternal deliverance, unless he was talking about two different deliverance.

In my experience and understanding, I believe you are right.

I've heard all too long that God separates Himself from us when we sin, will fully or not. God knows I've had my battle with sin, I'm not ashamed to admit that, I will boast about my weakness!
But I have found that when I sought God, He was ALWAYS there. And I was always surprised because my mind tells me He had abandoned me because what I had done, which leads to more shame, more discouragement, less feeling worthy enough to seek Him.
The teaching of God abandons you to your sin leads man down a deeper hole.
Not that I condone or justify sin in any way.

But I believe some people think they are better fathers to their children than our Good Father Himself!

GOD IS not the author of confusion so then "work out your own Salvation" would have to be talking about
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version


1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM MUST worship HIM In Spirit and In TRUTH.

Grace is Grace
Work Is work

Why should you repent if salvation is irrevocable? why do you keep repenting? what happens if you don't repent?

Why should you repent if salvation is irrevocable? why do you keep repenting? what happens if you don't repent?

So adulterer, murderer, liar, etc Will go to heaven, but not inherit the church?

What is inherit the church look like?

The scriptures teach that the church is to have discipline within it when a person comes to the husband without the attire of a bride, the righteousness of Christ.

So you believe the church discipline murderer but the murderer do not need repent for the purpose go to heaven?

What is church discipline look like?

If you don't repent it will not take away the fact that Jesus died and payed for that sin. You will not be in a good fellowship with God until you repent, but his fellowship is all that will be taken away from you, not eternal heaven.

Eternal salvation (deliverance) is irrevocable. We must learn how to rightly divide the salvation (deliverance) scriptures. We are delivered many times as we repent of our sins here on earth. Our eternal deliverance is not affected by the sins we do, because Christ died and paid for every one of them.

So you believe the church discipline murderer but the murderer do not need repent for the purpose go to heaven?

What is church discipline look like?

John 6:38, plainly states that Jesus died to pay for the sins of only those that His Father gave him, which was not all of mankind, and said that all he died for will live with him in heaven. Did he pay for King David's sin of murder adultery? Yes and he will live in heaven. The Church is directed to not receive any elect child of God who are actively participating in a sin. If I am not mistaken, Paul instructed one of the churches to exclude a man for having sex with his mother. I may be wrong on that, because I did not take time to look it up. Please correct me if I am wrong.

repent once for salvation and then by the mercies of GOD after Salvation present your bodies which Includes your mind a LIVING sacrifice renewing your mind to the new creation you have become not to conform to the world but be transformed so that you can Prove what Is that good and acceptable perfect will of GOD and all the law and the prophets are summed up In one word,Love.

So why is everyone not saved then?

There are no categories of salvation, just one which is being saved from sin/eternal death/corruption of this world/wrath of God. All these mean the same thing.

So basically you believe adulterer don't need to repent and go to heaven, only eclude from church, not eclude from heaven.

Murderer, teaft etc do not need to repent because Jesus die to pay for that, am I correct?

After repent for salvation become new creation, is new creation can not sin?