Abomination of Desolation

Only in the dispensationalist eyes does one week mean 7 years instead of 7 days.

Thanks KJV.

Again though, it has to be either Jesus or Titus being discussed relative to the week as they are the only two in focus in v 26. If you look at Young's it really seems to point more at Titus. Before we look at YLT, it is important to note that the 69 weeks of years had concluded. There is no way the final or missing week was a literal week IMHO. The measurement for the chapter is 1 week = 7 years.

26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.

27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

In this literal translation, it seems clear Titus is in focus as the one who desolates with his flood of solders. We know also that on the wing of the temple he placed his pagan ensigns while the temple burned.

Thanks KJV.

Again though, it has to be either Jesus or Titus being discussed relative to the week as they are the only two in focus in v 26. If you look at Young's it really seems to point more at Titus. Before we look at YLT, it is important to note that the 69 weeks of years had concluded. There is no way the final or missing week was a literal week IMHO. The measurement for the chapter is 1 week = 7 years.

26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.

27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

In this literal translation, it seems clear Titus is in focus as the one who desolates with his flood of solders. We know also that on the wing of the temple he placed his pagan ensigns while the temple burned.

Only in the dispensationalist eyes does one week mean 7 years instead of 7 days.

There is a huge difference between the KJV and YLT. Question is which one is right?

I believe all of the 70 weeks are literal weeks. Jesus confirmed the covenant in 7 literal days. 7 literal weeks later would be the day of Christ's ascension. I haven't figure out the the 62 weeks yet but I have a feeling it has something to do with the start of his ministry.... not sure on that one.

I respect your views PW, I just don't agree with them.

Nope

Titus did not place an idol in the temple holy place, he destroyed the temple completely,

He didn't need to place idols inside the temple. They were placed exactly where Daniel predicted, on the wing or outer edge. The gate to the temple fits perfectly.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.

I agree the week mentioned here is 7 years but it wasn't part of the first 7 X 70 as I explained above. Titus arrived with his father in March 67 AD. Three and a half years later, the Roman General Titus attacked Jerusalem. After the Romans had conquered much of the city many of the remaining Jewish rebels fled to the Temple. Upon setting the holy place on fire, the Roman army went into a frenzy slaughtering the Jewish refugees therein. With the Temple in flames, Josephus says that the Roman army then “brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy. The abomination that causes desolation mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is the Roman Army with its idols, the ensigns, of Zeus, Caesar and Rome.

If this doesn't work for you, a historian, I forget which one, said Titus took a harlot into the holy of holys and had sex with her. Would that satisfy you?

KJV. I think we can show this by doing the math. Dan 9:24, among other things, tells us exactly the last year that God would accept animal sacrifices to cover iniquity. The central premise of this passage is that the Jews would have 70 X 7 or 490 years from the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in which to offer sacrifice “to atone for wickedness.”

Daniel is likely working with two calendars, the lunar and solar, as the Jews did back then. The order to rebuild was issued by the king Artaxerxes in 444 B.C. There are 354 days in the lunar calendar. If you take your 70 weeks of years you need 490 lunar years. Converting them to our modern year of 365.25 days we get 475.

475 years – 444 B.C. = A.D. 31.

Because there is no year zero, one year must be added to the total:

A.D. 31 + 1 year = A.D. 32

Thus A.D. 32 is the final year in which God would honor the blood of bulls and goats as a sin offering. This would be the final year in which “your people [the Jews] and your holy city [Jerusalem]” were “to atone for wickedness.” Christ then died in 33 AD.

Now if we use the solar calendar which the Egyptians and Babylonians used and the Jews having been captive to both, we have 360 days to a year. Taking the “seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens’” we get (7 X 7) + (62 X 7) or 483 years. Do the math and you get 476 modern years.

476 years – 444B.C. = A.D. 32

Since there is no year zero, one year must be added to the date above:

A.D. 32 + 1 year = A.D. 33

"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut of..."

Thus we get to AD 33 again. Nothing says that the events of v 26 and v 27 have to take place during the 7 X 70s. Thus the destruction of Israel is outside and beyond the 7 X 70.

Nothing says the covenant week of verse 27 is part of the other weeks. The other weeks are clearly connected. So, here's my theory.

Daniel used two calendars, the Jewish (lunar) and the Babylonian (solar). When he's told in v 24 that seventy weeks were determined, the Jewish calendar applies. When he's told, "after sixty-two weeks" in v 26, the solar calendar was in play. Thus, there is no missing 70th week.

KJV. I think we can show this by doing the math. Dan 9:24, among other things, tells us exactly the last year that God would accept animal sacrifices to cover iniquity. The central premise of this passage is that the Jews would have 70 X 7 or 490 years from the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in which to offer sacrifice “to atone for wickedness.”

Daniel is likely working with two calendars, the lunar and solar, as the Jews did back then. The order to rebuild was issued by the king Artaxerxes in 444 B.C. There are 354 days in the lunar calendar. If you take your 70 weeks of years you need 490 lunar years. Converting them to our modern year of 365.25 days we get 475.

475 years – 444 B.C. = A.D. 31.

Because there is no year zero, one year must be added to the total:

A.D. 31 + 1 year = A.D. 32

Thus A.D. 32 is the final year in which God would honor the blood of bulls and goats as a sin offering. This would be the final year in which “your people [the Jews] and your holy city [Jerusalem]” were “to atone for wickedness.” Christ then died in 33 AD.

Now if we use the solar calendar which the Egyptians and Babylonians used and the Jews having been captive to both, we have 360 days to a year. Taking the “seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens’” we get (7 X 7) + (62 X 7) or 483 years. Do the math and you get 476 modern years.

476 years – 444B.C. = A.D. 32

Since there is no year zero, one year must be added to the date above:

A.D. 32 + 1 year = A.D. 33

"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut of..."

Thus we get to AD 33 again. Nothing says that the events of v 26 and v 27 have to take place during the 7 X 70s. Thus the destruction of Israel is outside and beyond the 7 X 70.

Nothing says the covenant week of verse 27 is part of the other weeks. The other weeks are clearly connected. So, here's my theory.

Daniel used two calendars, the Jewish (lunar) and the Babylonian (solar). When he's told in v 24 that seventy weeks were determined, the Jewish calendar applies. When he's told, "after sixty-two weeks" in v 26, the solar calendar was in play. Thus, there is no missing 70th week.

He didn't need to place idols inside the temple. They were placed exactly where Daniel predicted, on the wing or outer edge. The gate to the temple fits perfectly.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.

I agree the week mentioned here is 7 years but it wasn't part of the first 7 X 70 as I explained above. Titus arrived with his father in March 67 AD. Three and a half years later, the Roman General Titus attacked Jerusalem. After the Romans had conquered much of the city many of the remaining Jewish rebels fled to the Temple. Upon setting the holy place on fire, the Roman army went into a frenzy slaughtering the Jewish refugees therein. With the Temple in flames, Josephus says that the Roman army then “brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy. The abomination that causes desolation mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is the Roman Army with its idols, the ensigns, of Zeus, Caesar and Rome.

If this doesn't work for you, a historian, I forget which one, said Titus took a harlot into the holy of holys and had sex with her. Would that satisfy you?

What is the abomination of Desolation? I would truly like to hear from you.

Some commentators say it was the Roman army.

Benson commentary
"The abomination that maketh desolate. By which term is intended the desolating Roman armies with their standards."

Barnes' notes on the Bible
"The abomination of desolation means the Roman army, and is so explained by Luke 21:20. The Roman army is further called the "abomination" on account of the images of the emperor, and the eagles, carried in front of the legions, and regarded by the Romans with divine honors."

Matthew Poole's commentary
"the abomination of desolation to be meant of the Roman armies, which being made up of idolatrous soldiers, and having with them many abominable images are therefore called the abomination; those words, of desolation are added, because they were to make Jerusalem desolate; and so St. Luke, who hath not these words, possibly gives us in other words the best interpretation of them, Luke 21:20: And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

Gill's exposition of the entire Bible
"but the Roman army is designed; see Luke 21:20 which was the , "the wing", or "army of abominations making desolate", Daniel 9:27. Armies are called wings, Isaiah 8:8 and the Roman armies were desolating ones to the Jews, and to whom they were an abomination; not only because they consisted of Heathen men, and uncircumcised persons, but chiefly because of the images of their gods, which were upon their ensigns:"

Bengel's gnomen
"The abomination of profanation was followed by the abomination of desolation. Such was the name given by the Jews to the Roman army, composed of all nations, the standards of which they held in abomination as idols, since the Romans attributed divinity to them."

Expositor's Greek Testament
"Luke gives the clue (Matthew 24:20). The horror is the Roman army, and the thing to be dreaded and fled from is not any religious outrage it may perpetrate, but the desolation it will inevitably bring."

Some commentators say it was the Roman army.

Makes sense to me, but I do have one question about Daniel 9:27. "And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week". What is your view on this part of Daniel 9:27?

This does not refute what i said

No jew in Daniel's day or Jesus day would have taken this spiritual interpretation, so why should we?

We should interpret it like they would, (since it was given or written to them) that is called proper hermeneutics

Good morning eternally-gratefull,
The events in Daniel 8 about the little horn, who is also referred to as the transgression of Desolation, the angel Gabriel informs Daniel pertain to the end times in Daniel 8:17 & 19. These same end time events are reiterated to pertain to the end times in Daniel 12:4 & 9; at which time knowledge of what these events represent would increase. We are now approaching the end times, with our knowledge on what these events truly represent, increasing. This data was not meant for Daniel, nor his generation to understand, as Daniel 12:9 testifies.

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

PW do you really think "the wing of abominations" means a wing of a building? That's modern language lingo, I don't think people talked like that during Daniels time.

I don't know which translation that came from but I'm sure they translated correctly as wing, but the only problem is what did wing mean in Daniel's time.

"Wing" is found in the YLT. Young's is the most literal translation. Your KJV says, "overspreading of abominations." I mostly use the NKJV which also says, "wing of abominations." I don't think it much matters, do you? Bad things were happening up there, a foreign leader had sacrifices made to him and he was worshiped on the temple mount inside the temple compound, a place no foreigner was allowed. This happened as the temple was burning.

Long before that, the Jews desecrated the heck out of the temple. The Jewish tyrants and their band of robbers slaughtered priests in the temple and on the alter when they took over the temple. They drank wine from the sacred temple cups. They had gay orgies inside the temple. That temple had unspeakable abominations going on inside long before Titus got there. There were plenty of abominations to chose from to satisfy Daniel's and Jesus' reference. Luke renders the debate pointless as he said when you see armies surrounding Jerusalem, beat feet!!

The main thing to note is both Daniel and Jesus were talking about the events circa 70 AD and not some future 3rd temple. Clearly, they were on the Mount of Olives, looking straight at the 2nd temple when they asked when it was going to be destroyed. Jesus didn't skip over temple #2 to talk about temple #3 of which there is no prophesy.