What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

What a fool you have shown us all to be. Mutated locusts? LOL. You are literalizing figurative writing and are too ignorant to see it. Foolish people follow foolish doctrines. The Roman soldiers brought with them weapons called "scorpion machines" pictured below.

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Titus brought them and they were only used during the final 5 months of the siege. These scorpion machines shot darts, sometimes burning darts over the wall. They were not used against the vegetation. They were only shot at the wicked, unbelieving Jews inside the city. They seldom hit anybody and were not usually fatal but they hurt like heck. These darts, as ineffective as they were, scared the crap out of people, which was likely the purpose. According to Rev 9:5, they tormented those without the seal of God, which was everybody in Jerusalem in 70 AD as all the Christians fled prior to Titus' arrival.

According to Josephus, conditions inside Jerusalem during the siege were so bad the people would cry out for death each night hoping they would not awaken to the same misery. This is in perfect fulfillment of Rev 9:6. But you wouldn't know this because you haven't read Joseph. Instead you are content with your futurist and false narrative.

It's because you just see left or right,black or white and so you see all futurist as Darby followers and are blind to post tribulation and mid tribs.,, Amils. ect. in your approach,it's your Achilles heal in eschatology...

No - but - horses, judgment, and rapture fit very nicely into the Second Coming of Christ.

You and I are lightyears apart.
You have not reconciled your position.
You have instead gone into fantastic reframing of the book of revelation.

Shipwrecks to explain oceans and rivers being turned to blood,and roman crossbows to explain the flying locusts.

In your mind,God told crossbows not to eat any vegetation.
You are making stuff up big time.

Nobody could honestly believe the judgements and plagues of the gt are past.
Somebody would have recorded it.

LOL
Read it for yourself;
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months

Wow,Now insert "CROSSBOWS" (WHICH YOU HAVE DONE) in place of "locusts"

Totally weird what you do to the word of God.

LOL
Read it for yourself;
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months

Wow,Now insert "CROSSBOWS" (WHICH YOU HAVE DONE) in place of "locusts"

Totally weird what you do to the word of God.

Amen
2 separate events as you have pointed out.

BTW
postribs have a interesting concept. They too see Jesus meeting his saints in the air( no complete bodily standing on the earth until the saints join him in descending to the earth).

IOW they see him in the air,and join him in the air.....not earth.

So,what is this? ;
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
.......DURING THE TRIB!

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How do you fit this into "your deal"...?

I'm still curious about what answer pretribbers have for this question...

Are you going to "move in" to your mansion only to have to "move out" seven years later?

Certainly brings light to the differences between of the flesh and seeing only the "letter" and of the spirit and seeing "the truth being conveyed". One thing for sure, we will all bow a knee. Excellent example of how the "debate" is futile.


Ecclesiastes 1:8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be and that which is done is that which shall be done and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

We are able to "see" what is coming by what has already happened. So, yes, the temple was destroyed, people wishing for death, and all the rest but none of that stops the fact that until Israel became a nation once again, all prophecy would not be fulfilled until that generation.

Questions When was it Satan and the 7000 angels were cast from heaven? What received the deadly wound? How did Satan fix it? When was it Satan was standing in the temple proclaiming to be God? When was it Satan was worshipped by the whole world? Who were the two witnesses? When did they lie dead for 3 1/2 days? When were they raised from the dead? Where was the pit in which Satan was bound? When was he loosed for a short season? When was all evil cast into the lake of fire? Where is the New Jerusalem? Where is the river that can't be crossed? When was it the world had one money, one education, one political system, one religion? When were those who were alive and remained "changed" so that they would never die? How is evil still present? When did fire from God come down and devour? How is it people are still dying? and on and on and on.

A few examples of truth

Mat 16: 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
AND YES, once Christ was crucified, buried and risen, THERE WERE THOSE WHO WERE STILL ALIVE, AND who DID NOT TASTE OF DEATH, AND SAW AND SPOKE AND ATE WITH HIM. He was not the "flesh" servant of 3 days before. He was in His glorified body.

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Matthew 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
AND YES, what did happen to that generation? The temple was destroyed.


Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
AND YES, THIS GENERATION, the generation to which CHRIST WAS SPEAKING TO WAS "THE SIGN OF THY COMING AND THE END OF THE WORLD" The world did not end then did it?


Mat 26: 64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
AND YES, ONCE CHRIST WAS RISEN, we either DIE and see Him at the right hand of the Power, or we will be alive when He returns in the clouds.


2 Thes 1: 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

AND YES, God will render unto every man what that man sows. And we will receive rest. And those who do not know God or obey the gospel will get everything they have coming, and God is a consuming fire.


I could go on and on but what would be the point. We all see as we chose to see. All it takes is "truth" and a little twist to render Gods Word void.

until Israel became a nation once again, all prophecy would not be fulfilled until that generation.

Questions When was it Satan and the 7000 angels were cast from heaven?

What received the deadly wound? How did Satan fix it?

When was it Satan was standing in the temple proclaiming to be God? When was it Satan was worshipped by the whole world?

Who were the two witnesses? When did they lie dead for 3 1/2 days? When were they raised from the dead?

Satan was bound? When was he loosed for a short season? When was all evil cast into the lake of fire?

Where is the New Jerusalem?

When was it the world had one money, one education, one political system, one religion?

When were those who were alive and remained "changed" so that they would never die?

How is evil still present?

When did fire from God come down and devour?

How is it people are still dying? and on and on and on.

AND YES, once Christ was crucified, buried and risen, THERE WERE THOSE WHO WERE STILL ALIVE, AND who DID NOT TASTE OF DEATH, AND SAW AND SPOKE AND ATE WITH HIM. He was not the "flesh" servant of 3 days before. He was in His glorified body.

AND YES, THIS GENERATION, the generation to which CHRIST WAS SPEAKING TO WAS "THE SIGN OF THY COMING AND THE END OF THE WORLD" The world did not end then did it?

AND YES, God will render unto every man what that man sows. And we will receive rest. And those who do not know God or obey the gospel will get everything they have coming, and God is a consuming fire.

3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

It was their age which was to end and Josephus acknowledges it.

Not sure where you get 7000 from but the war which broke out in heaven happened in late 66 AD as recorded by Josephus. Christ returned to Heaven and shortly after, war broke out per Dan 7 and 12 and Rev 20.

Israel obviously became a nation in 1948 and Jerusalem was theirs again in 1967. However, there was no prophesy of this in the Bible. Some futurists point to Mat 24, "generation of the fig tree" as the prophesy but this view is wrong. John the Baptist made clear in Mat 3 that the ax was already being laid to their tree. Jesus confirms this with His parable of the fig tree that any tree not bearing fruit would be destroyed. The wicked Jews of the first century were the tree bearing no fruit. They were destroyed. They were the wicked and perverse generation that both Jesus and Peter spoke about.

The Roman empire received the deadly wound in 68 AD at the death of Nero, the 6th head. When Nero died, Rome fell into a dark year of brutal civil war and 3 emperors fought for control. All three were killed. When Vespasian took over in late 69 AD, the beast was healed. Nero died by stab to the neck (head area).