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I don't know if we should consider four to be a lot. But anyway, Deborah was raised up to shame the men of that day who didn't have the courage to fulfill their God given leadership roles.

Women and children in leadership over the house of God is a shameful thing:

"12Youths oppress my people,

women rule over them.

My people, your guides lead you astray;

they turn you from the path." - Isaiah 3:12


I'm not sure that the office of Deacon is a position of authority, but rather one of humble service.

Here, maybe this will clear it up for you what Paul was getting at:

"11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve." - 1 Timothy 2:11-13

The reason woman is not to assume pastoral authority in the church has nothing to do with culture. It has everything to do with the ordained order of things in heaven and earth. It goes like this: God >> Christ >> man >> woman.

And, in addition to that, Paul says Eve was the one deceived, not man:

"14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. " - 1 Timothy 2:14

That's yet another reason why woman are not to be in pastoral authority in the church. And that's what Paul is getting at here:

"for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" - 1 Corinthians 14:35-36

But let's not open that can of worms.

The Bible says nothing of this.

We seem to have more than one member posting that very thing of late. Have you also noticed this? They state things that the scriptures say this or that and yet there is no such passage.

Unfortunately, it's not new. People who make such claims should be directly challenged, for their own good and that of any readers.

Lol Dino can you believe this thread?!!😂

Priscilla assumed an authoritative teaching role over men (Acts 18), and the “Elect Lady” (2 John) may well have been a prominent church leader with a congregation under her care.

There is nothing in 1 Corinthians 14 about "seizing pastoral authority". There is nothing in there about pastoral authority at all.

You're claiming that "be silent" doesn't mean "be silent" and by doing that, you are being just as "liberal" as you accuse me of being. Consistent application of the "plain words" of Paul demands that women be absolutely silent; no talking, no preaching, no singing, praying, prophesying, or chatting with the new lady who is bewildered by the strangeness of this thing called "church". No vocalizing whatsoever. Your congregation practices that, right?

How on God's green earth is being created second a cultural issue?


The topic he is addressing here is authoritative TEACHING.

"34Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36

You can see he's addressing the misplaced assertiveness of women in matters of the Word, telling them they are not to be allowed to exert an authority in teaching the word of God that, by nature, they do not possess.

Does this mean a man should never listen to a woman talk about the Word? Or that a man can never learn anything of value about the Word from a woman? Of course not. It means a woman should never hold a position of authority, like a pastor or elder, in the church regarding the Word. God does not use women in that capacity. Only men. And even then, only men that have been specifically called and equipped for that office. So that rules even you and me out! Get over it. Just accept what Paul, who has that authority, says about it.

I don't know if we should consider four to be a lot. But anyway, Deborah was raised up to shame the men of that day who didn't have the courage to fulfill their God given leadership roles.

Within a marriage, I think the Bible is clear than man is head of the household. However, otherwise women can be in positions of authority over men. Deborah was one of the judges in Israel. There are a lot of female prophets in the OT. In the NT, Phoebe is referred to as a "Deacon."

Priscilla was with her husband in Acts 18.

In 2 John, the elder was just reminding the elect lady not to have fellowship with unbelievers and not to accept them in her home, not even wish them Godspeed. No mention of her being a Church leader. Since there is no mention of a husband, the lady was probably a widow so the elder is trying to be protective of her.

...but not in church from a pastoral authoritative role.
Women can surely share the gospel with people.
I don't know that they are prohibited from being evangelists.
But does being able to evangelize mean she can be a pastor, too?


Remember, the church is a 'she'. And she's definitely no widow.
He's referring to the church. The individual congregants are her children.

Does scripture actual state this as the reason that God appointed her as a judge of Israel or is this your own personal opinion?

Huh?

Within a marriage, I think the Bible is clear than man is head of the household. However, otherwise women can be in positions of authority over men. Deborah was one of the judges in Israel. There are a lot of female prophets in the OT. In the NT, Phoebe is referred to as a "Deacon."

It's in the story.
The dude wimped out and she took the bull by the horns and had to act the part of the man since he wouldn't.
Going by memory.
Will post the scriptures later.
Off to Walmart.....

Priscilla was with her husband in Acts 18. In 2 John, the elder was just reminding the elect lady not to have fellowship with unbelievers and not to accept them in her home, not even wish them Godspeed. No mention of her being a Church leader. Since there is no mention of a husband, the lady was probably a widow so the elder is trying to be protective of her.