Is it a sin to drink alcohol
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I don't think the process of fermentation is considered "rotting". It may just be semantics, but fermentation is a known process that can be started "manually", or it will (I think) happen naturally, if there are "wild yeasts" present.
"rotting" as we use the word, would not apply...... in my opinion.
edit: just goobered this....
"Rotting" is a general term for substance decomposition, often a mix of physical/chemical/microbial reactions, almost universally uncontrolled by humans. Fermentation is a metabolic microbial process that results in the production of alcohol from converting carbohydrates without available oxygen.
"rotting" as we use the word, would not apply...... in my opinion.
edit: just goobered this....
"Rotting" is a general term for substance decomposition, often a mix of physical/chemical/microbial reactions, almost universally uncontrolled by humans. Fermentation is a metabolic microbial process that results in the production of alcohol from converting carbohydrates without available oxygen.
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Ever wonder what is the difference is between fermenting and rotting food?
Short Answer:
Rotting is an uncontrolled act of a food decomposing. Dangerous bacteria take over the food in question, breaking it down to a dangerous and foul state. Rotting kills the food.
Fermenting is just the opposite. Fermentation is a controlled process that creates an environment in which the food is placed (jar, crock…); when done correctly, beneficial bacteria are produced that discourage the growth of harmful bacteria allowing you to eat it well past its usual shelf life.
Is fermented food rotten or spoiled?
No, fermented food is not spoiled food. The process of fermenting food is a method of preservation that raises the population of beneficial bacteria and breaks down the properties of the food so that they remain eatable.
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Short Answer:
Rotting is an uncontrolled act of a food decomposing. Dangerous bacteria take over the food in question, breaking it down to a dangerous and foul state. Rotting kills the food.
Fermenting is just the opposite. Fermentation is a controlled process that creates an environment in which the food is placed (jar, crock…); when done correctly, beneficial bacteria are produced that discourage the growth of harmful bacteria allowing you to eat it well past its usual shelf life.
Is fermented food rotten or spoiled?
No, fermented food is not spoiled food. The process of fermenting food is a method of preservation that raises the population of beneficial bacteria and breaks down the properties of the food so that they remain eatable.
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decomposition in general can either be attributable to the life-processes of microbial organisms or to processes of erosion & other forms of decay not associated with the actions of living creatures.
fermentation in particular describes a thing certain living creatures do, not entropic deterioration.
fermentation in particular describes a thing certain living creatures do, not entropic deterioration.
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well, to win you have to have good aim -- not just be good at ducking
avoidance can only get you into the later rounds, it can't grant you the cup
avoidance can only get you into the later rounds, it can't grant you the cup
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Addressed already (even told you already and linked to it already, see previous response):
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-to-drink-alcohol.191061/page-35#post-4206234
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-to-drink-alcohol.191061/page-35#post-4206234
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The verse in context is speaking about unwashed hands:
Therefore, this is for you, to continue reading:
The disciples were eating the grain of the field, in the land of Gennesaret.
The Pharisees, scribes held the tradition that to deal with things that were touched, or possibly touched by the hands of Gentiles (or unclean animals), were ceremonial unclean, and could make a person as such 'unclean', or 'defiled', as if it were the disease of 'Gentileness' that might be contracted. It was taking that which was written in the OT, when dealing with the pagan and idolatrous nations, and twisting it to such extremes.
The passages in both Matthew and Mark, do not alleviate anyone from the commandments concerning the distinction between the Holy and unholy, the clean and clean in food, drink and diet. Jesus was speaking in terms parable:
You seem to be as Peter, that is to say, without understanding, therefore, listen to Jesus, and you shall understand:
Notice, the connection of Heart and Mouth. For out of the heart, the mouth speaks, and when alcohol is involved it alters the heart/mind, so that perverse, false, erroneous material comes out of the heart and out of the mouth (sometimes words, sometimes vomit, and sometimes one is as the other), and by that medium the person is thereby defiled.
You have misused the text. You have not rightly divided the word of God, but seek to justify the sin of alcohol drinking. Therefore, if you do not admit your error here, and repent, openly, as you spake openly, you will drink down another drink yet to be poured unto you. A drink not 'warm', but of a 'fire unquenchable'.
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Therefore, this is for you, to continue reading:
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The disciples were eating the grain of the field, in the land of Gennesaret.
Mat 14:34 And when they were gone over, they came into the land of Gennesaret.
Mar 6:53 And when they had passed over, they came into the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore.
The Pharisees, scribes held the tradition that to deal with things that were touched, or possibly touched by the hands of Gentiles (or unclean animals), were ceremonial unclean, and could make a person as such 'unclean', or 'defiled', as if it were the disease of 'Gentileness' that might be contracted. It was taking that which was written in the OT, when dealing with the pagan and idolatrous nations, and twisting it to such extremes.
The passages in both Matthew and Mark, do not alleviate anyone from the commandments concerning the distinction between the Holy and unholy, the clean and clean in food, drink and diet. Jesus was speaking in terms parable:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Mat 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
You seem to be as Peter, that is to say, without understanding, therefore, listen to Jesus, and you shall understand:
Mat 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Jesus just referred to the body as the Temple of God, when dealing with that which 'defiles'.Notice, the connection of Heart and Mouth. For out of the heart, the mouth speaks, and when alcohol is involved it alters the heart/mind, so that perverse, false, erroneous material comes out of the heart and out of the mouth (sometimes words, sometimes vomit, and sometimes one is as the other), and by that medium the person is thereby defiled.
You have misused the text. You have not rightly divided the word of God, but seek to justify the sin of alcohol drinking. Therefore, if you do not admit your error here, and repent, openly, as you spake openly, you will drink down another drink yet to be poured unto you. A drink not 'warm', but of a 'fire unquenchable'.
Oba_1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
Isa_47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Zec_14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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