Is it a sin to drink alcohol

[WithinReason]

Open your mouth for the speechless,​

in the cause of all who are appointed to die.​

Open your mouth, judge righteously,​

and plead the cause of the poor and needy. ​

(Proverbs 30:8-9)​

Psa_119:139 My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.

 

[WithinReason]

You cannot prophesy unless God has directed you to do so and has given you the words to say and who to say them to.

I so have that instruction:

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[tourist]

Yep. Grape Juice is also called "wine" in scripture. I gave many examples already, and even recently again.

You didn't give a single example that was reasonable. The meaning of the word 'wine' in scripture is based on the context of the passage of which it was used. Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding of Cana. The chief wine steward said that you give the good wine first and after the guest have drunk awhile you give them the cheap stuff. He said that the best wine was saved for last. If the wine was grape juice it would not matter if you gave the good juice first because drinking grape juice would not dull your senses. You would certainly be able to notice later when the funky grape juice is ladled out. The context regarding the wedding dictates that the wine contained alcohol.

 

[WithinReason]

The meaning of the word 'wine' in scripture is based on the context of the passage of which it was used.

Agreed, which I showed from scripture that the "wine" of the wedding is the pure juice of the grape, made straight from the word of the Creator (Jesus), coming from the Pure and True Vine. It is the "wine" of pure Creation, not pure distillation.

 

[WithinReason]

you give them the cheap stuff.

You made that up. "cheap stuff" is not found in any of the context. The contrast is not a matter of expense.

 

[tourist]

I so have that instruction:

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

the passage in Revelation was pertaining to John. Regarding acts, not all servants and handmaidens will be tasked to prophesy. What makes you believe that God called you to do this? The gold standard of prophesy is 100% accuracy. There is no lesser standard.

 

[WithinReason]

the passage in Revelation was pertaining to John.

You did not read carefully enough the references I gave. John was to "preach" again, by the word written, through people that came after him. I am one such person.

 

[WithinReason]

The gold standard of prophesy is 100% accuracy. There is no lesser standard.

Yes and No. Prophecy can have (though not always), or be based in, condition. See Jonah, for example.

Yet, even still, that which I gave is 100%. Take it to the bank as the saying goes. For it is written ... and God cannot lie.

 

[tourist]

Yes and No. Prophecy can have (though not always), or be based in, condition. See Jonah, for example.

Yet, even still, that which I gave is 100%. Take it to the bank as the saying goes. For it is written ... and God cannot lie.

If I took to the bank what you are peddling the check would bounce for insufficient funds.

 

[WithinReason]

If I took to the bank what you are peddling the check would bounce for insufficient funds.

O, t'ain't no check 'friend'. 'Tis real 'money'. Gold of faith and love.

 

[Dino246]

You made that up. "cheap stuff" is not found in any of the context. The contrast is not a matter of expense.

That it is a matter of expense is clear from the context; it doesn't need to be spelled out.

 

[Dino246]

O, t'ain't no check 'friend'. 'Tis real 'money'. Gold of faith and love.

All I see is the dross of arrogance and self-righteousness.

 

[tourist]

You made that up. "cheap stuff" is not found in any of the context. The contrast is not a matter of expense.

John 2:11
And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”

Inferior is the 'cheap stuff.

How does one 'well drunk' on grape juice? Makes no sense whatsoever. Again, the context of the wedding at Cana dictates that the wine contained alcohol.

 

[posthuman]

You made that up. "cheap stuff" is not found in any of the context. The contrast is not a matter of expense.

((ahem))
from page 1.

Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk,
then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. ​

 

[posthuman]

If I took to the bank what you are peddling the check would bounce for insufficient funds.

Solomon calls that 'clouds and wind without rain'

i love how poetic ♥

 

[tourist]

You did not read carefully enough the references I gave. John was to "preach" again, by the word written, through people that came after him. I am one such person.

By the same token the same applies to everyone on this thread. You are not unique in this regard. I'm not saying that you are a bad preacher of the truth either but I certainly do believe that you wrest scripture, ignore context, disregard definition to suit your narrative that the consumption of alcohol is a sin, despite that fact that the first recorded miracle of Jesus was changing the water into wine at the wedding of Cana at the request of His mother. He told her that His time had not yet come but He respected her as His mother and chose to obey her.

 

[posthuman]

If he can bring just the slightest befuddlement and keep the people there, they will choose wrongly, in the test coming.

Salvation is not by the cleverness of men.
Men with complete clarity choose evil. We are not saved because we were 'smart enough to become so'

 

[hornetguy]

Yes, I can, as each context in scripture defines the 'wine' thereof.

See.... that's your problem.... eisigesis. You claim scripture says what YOU want it to say.

New wine is not alcoholic, correct?

Then, the Jews at Pentecost vehemently disagree with you....

verily, verily, forsooth, even King Jimmy disagrees....

"12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day."

Oh, wait..... in THIS instance, you want "new wine" to mean alcoholic wine. But when Jesus used it at the Passover meal, it was NON-alcoholic....

That about cover it? Whenever it fits YOUR preconceived notions? I'm sorry, whenever it fits Y'ALL's preconceived notions. I forgot there were a legion of you there....

 

[hornetguy]

In these last days, the devil desires that the minds of mankind be not clear, but rather beclouded by all manner of brain injuring elements, one of which is alcohol.

He (the devil) knows that, if he can keep mankind in the dark, just a little longer, their lives are forfeit forever. If he can bring just the slightest befuddlement and keep the people there, they will choose wrongly, in the test coming.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.​

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Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.​

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,​

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.​

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,​

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:​

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.​

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​

What in the wide wide world of sports does this quote from John's revelation have to do with whether drinking alcohol is a sin? You just bounce around like a ping pong ball, don't you?

 

[hornetguy]

You made that up. "cheap stuff" is not found in any of the context. The contrast is not a matter of expense.

WRONG, buckwheat....
The host of the wedding asked the groom why he saved the "best" for last....

again, King Jimmy... just for you...

"0 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. "

Unless you are trying to convince us that the "good wine" was cheaper than the not so good wine?

There it is ..... in context.