Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians

I have no real concern for claiming to know the exact timing of the seals.

Obviously I can't tell who you are responding to. However, regarding the four kingdoms:

Head of Gold = Babylon

Chest and Arms of Silver = Medo/Persia

Belly and thighs of Bronze = Greece

Legs of Iron = Rome

Ten toes of Iron = Extended/Revived Roman Empire (future)

The ten toes correspond to the ten horns on the beast with the seven heads.

The legs of iron was Rome, which is that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. However, the future ten-toed kingdom will not have the same power that it did when it was all iron, because it will be made up of partly baked clay and partly iron.

The millennial kingdom is the earthly reign of Christ in the believer. It’s the time when Satan is bound and can’t deceive us anymore. It’s the time when the wolf in sheep’s clothing lies down with the lamb but can’t hurt the lamb.

That kingdom ends when we’re translated into the heavenly kingdom.

Jesus came in a 46 chromosome body didn’t he?

By deceive us anymore do you mean the nations? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-3.htm

I would say all the nations . Joel's promise had come. God revealing he has always been the God of all nations. Satan was bound from deceiving in that way. Not bound from not deceiving in every way. (impossible)

That will not happen until the new order is established in the heavens and earth. There will be no temple there or night .The glory of God will be the light .

Until the the spirit of lies will be working in the heart of corrupted mankind.

In his post he said Christ in the believer/us, in the Scripture I gave it says nations/kingdoms are who cant be deceived after the binding of the devil.

Being bound now the spirit of error will be loosed for a short while. When the the two witnesses the law and the prophets are silenced, or killed. When men are deceived that being a believer has something to do with the Jewish nation and another temple as a abomination of desolation is again built to deceive the nations .

Being bound now the spirit of error will be loosed for a short while. When the the two witnesses the law and the prophets are silenced, or killed. When men are deceived that being a believer has something to do with the Jewish nation and another temple as a abomination of desolation is again built to deceive the nations .

If the two witnesses are present tense in what your saying then the beast in the same chapter would also be present tense if you think about it. That is the rise of that beast and the ten horns, ect. would come first and they would then set their affairs in order and by that time the world would already be deceived, receiving it's mark and worshiping it's image would you not think? If so then this would no longer be the millennial,but rather after the millennial and the nations are being deceived because this is taking place now is it not?

How do you put that seen below in Revelation chapter 11 into a present tense scenario?

Revelation 11:3-15KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You'll need to reexamine his post and then mine. I said if the two witnesses,if you think about it,if so then...based on what he said. his thinking is actually very close but I cannot agree because he is not seeing it literal.

Let me ask you,,,are the events of Revelation 11 before or after the thousand years? see revelation 19:21 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 19:19-21&version=NIV

Enjoy the conversation

Lamso I believe the (Thousand Years) seen in Revelation 20:1-7 is a figure of speech explaining the Lord's spiritual realm of (No Literal Time) 2 Peter 3:8 one day is a thousand years (Not Literal)

This thousand years is taking place presently, and will end at the second coming, "Immediately after the tribulation"

If a tribulation saint dies (one earthly day) before the second coming, he enters this non-literal thousand year reign.

The depiction of Revelation 19:19-21 below takes place at the end of the future tribulation, when the 6th vial in Rev 16:12-14 is poured out as Rev 20:7-9 takes place, Satan is loosed to perform God's will in gathering the nations for God's "Final Judgement"

You will note below the second coming and "Final Judgement" in the Lake Of Fire, this is a parallel teaching of Rev 20:10-15

The book of Revelation is written in "Parallel" teachings of same events.

Revelation 19:19-21KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

let me ask you then if in Revelation 13:15 the ones who do not worship the image are killed are they killed spiritually or literally? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm

Lets cut it to the chase

I believe "The Beast" will be a literal human man of Jewish descent

I believe Rev 13:15 is a literal event, that is a parallel to Nebuchadnezzar and the image of worship, the three and the fiery furnace.

I believe the "Two Witnesses" seen in Rev 11:1-15 will be literal prophets returned, that will bring literal plagues upon "The Beast" and his kingdom, a complete "Remake" of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

I believe literal nation/armies will move to Israel, and Jesus Christ will return in literal fire in final Judgement, dissolving the existing heavens and earth.

I dont ignore verses you claim are a pre-trib rapture

The verses you present are nothing more than the second coming that you claim is a different event.

You won't post scripture, because You know well its actually nothing more than the second coming, as seen in multiple parallel teachings throughout the Scripture.

Again,leave off the heartbeat of endtimes and FOCUS on clich'es

Last trump
Layahe
McDonald
After
Trump
One coming
Dispensation

I know postrib doctrine
It is 90% extra biblical

Ok,pick one and actually unpack it
Mat 25
Mat 24
1 thes 4
Rev 14
The 2 escape verses
Rev 19
The last supper dialogue

Matt 25, sheep goats is a parable of the Second Coming and Great White Throne Judgement

Matthew 24, is the future abomination, great tribulation, second coming and resurrection.

1 Thess 4:14-17, is the second coming last day resurrection.

Revelation 14, second coming last day resurrection

Revelation 19 marriage supper takes place" after the second coming and final judgement seen in Rev 19