The BASIC Difference between Arminians and Calvinists
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Okay, so basically, one is negative one (-1) and the other is positive one (+1) and these two cancel each other to reach 0, the median position from which I'm most comfortable standing. God empowers (comes as Helper to) His elect in continuing to, preferably, yield (their hearts to His influence) tho not without prohibiting any given opportunity that any may choose to withstand it (ie, harden their hearts).
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I don't answer questions with obvious answers.
You don't seem sincere in your questions.
I don't see any value in them.
Always ask yourself before asking a question if it pleases God to ask it. If it does not, then it comes from Satan and must be avoided. Satan is the father of lies. Do not listen to him. He is not to be trusted. He is to be ignored. He is not to be assigned importance. He is to be minimized to nothing. He is to be vanquished. He is to be skipped over as a bad example. He is to be kicked out of all our thoughts and feelings. He is to be disposed of. He is to be given no regard whatsoever.
You don't seem sincere in your questions.
I don't see any value in them.
Always ask yourself before asking a question if it pleases God to ask it. If it does not, then it comes from Satan and must be avoided. Satan is the father of lies. Do not listen to him. He is not to be trusted. He is to be ignored. He is not to be assigned importance. He is to be minimized to nothing. He is to be vanquished. He is to be skipped over as a bad example. He is to be kicked out of all our thoughts and feelings. He is to be disposed of. He is to be given no regard whatsoever.
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I think the difference is how we see faith (hear God) as a work. Seeing faith is a work of God. God working in us us to both will and empowers use to perform it ..
We have no power to offer towards him. (the froward generation no faith not little none ) That would be considered "dead faith" .The living faith we need to believe comes down .Not earthly inspired by the god of this world. But like all the doctrines of God they come down as rain like dew upon the leaves
Dead works dead faith. Faith cannot be divided from works it all one thing called a "work of faith" or "labor of Love". Love that he works in us.
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Lest any boast in false pride . I got myself saved .
We have no power to offer towards him. (the froward generation no faith not little none ) That would be considered "dead faith" .The living faith we need to believe comes down .Not earthly inspired by the god of this world. But like all the doctrines of God they come down as rain like dew upon the leaves
Dead works dead faith. Faith cannot be divided from works it all one thing called a "work of faith" or "labor of Love". Love that he works in us.
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Lest any boast in false pride . I got myself saved .
This would be the ' soft ' explanation. Its sounds righteous and pious . But here it is , its exactly what I'm saying. Everytime we look at our watches we are reminded of Lordship salvation . John Calivin thought wearing jewellery was sinful for a ' true believer ' ( an elect one ) so wearing Jewellery to church was banned . But of course as a work a round , folks would wear a watch and gradually watches became more and more fancy . Lordship salvation kills growth in the church .
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No, that is totally incorrect. We could go into great detail to refute that idea.
Let's start here: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:2,3)
1. Did you notice that right out the the gate, the Lordship of Christ is brought to the forefront? It is significant to note that rarely does Paul call Jesus simply "Jesus". He generally says "Lord Jesus" or "Lord Jesus Christ". Jesus was "Jesus" in His humiliation and His humility. He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ" and when He descends to earth at His second coming He will be "King of kings and LORD of lords".
2. What is the spiritual significance of the fact that Jesus is now "the LORD Jesus Christ"?
a. It confirms that He is God, since none other than God may be called "LORD".
b. It establishes the fact that Christ destroyed the power of sin, Hades, Hell, death, and Satan on the cross, therefor He rose again as a Victor in His resurrection. When He cried "It is finished" that was a cry of victory, and when He "preached to the spirits in prison" in Hades, He proclaimed His victory to all (saints, sinners, and evil angels).
c. It is because Christ rose from the dead on the third day as He promised, God the Father has given Him all authority and power both in Heaven and on earth.
d. This means that God has given Christ TOTAL AUTHORITY over every believer.
e. No one can be truly saved until and unless he received Christ as BOTH Lord and Savior. Which means that the believer belongs to Christ, who has purchased him with His own blood. We must confess Jesus as "LORD" and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead in order to be saved.
f. This makes the Lord Jesus Christ Lord, Master, Controller, and King over every Christian. The Christian must obey Christ in all things, and the first step of obedience is Christian baptism by immersion, confessing Christ publicly as both Lord and Christ.
g. Notice what Paul says in verse 2: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: This is telling the saints that the Lordship of Christ in their lives is critical.
In view of all this if any *Christian* scoffs at the Lordship of Christ, chances are he is not even saved. Study Romans 10 carefully.
Let's start here: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:2,3)
1. Did you notice that right out the the gate, the Lordship of Christ is brought to the forefront? It is significant to note that rarely does Paul call Jesus simply "Jesus". He generally says "Lord Jesus" or "Lord Jesus Christ". Jesus was "Jesus" in His humiliation and His humility. He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ" and when He descends to earth at His second coming He will be "King of kings and LORD of lords".
2. What is the spiritual significance of the fact that Jesus is now "the LORD Jesus Christ"?
a. It confirms that He is God, since none other than God may be called "LORD".
b. It establishes the fact that Christ destroyed the power of sin, Hades, Hell, death, and Satan on the cross, therefor He rose again as a Victor in His resurrection. When He cried "It is finished" that was a cry of victory, and when He "preached to the spirits in prison" in Hades, He proclaimed His victory to all (saints, sinners, and evil angels).
c. It is because Christ rose from the dead on the third day as He promised, God the Father has given Him all authority and power both in Heaven and on earth.
d. This means that God has given Christ TOTAL AUTHORITY over every believer.
e. No one can be truly saved until and unless he received Christ as BOTH Lord and Savior. Which means that the believer belongs to Christ, who has purchased him with His own blood. We must confess Jesus as "LORD" and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead in order to be saved.
f. This makes the Lord Jesus Christ Lord, Master, Controller, and King over every Christian. The Christian must obey Christ in all things, and the first step of obedience is Christian baptism by immersion, confessing Christ publicly as both Lord and Christ.
g. Notice what Paul says in verse 2: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: This is telling the saints that the Lordship of Christ in their lives is critical.
In view of all this if any *Christian* scoffs at the Lordship of Christ, chances are he is not even saved. Study Romans 10 carefully.
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Great your doing all
1 cor 15 . 1-4 is the Gospel . We don't make Jesus Lord ,He is Lord .
Notice the words in brackets in this verse .They are added . It should be 'called saints ' . And notice they ARE sanctified .
1¶Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2¶Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that ARE sanctified in Christ Jesus, called ( to be ) saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
No believer can make Jesus into something ..He Just is who He said He is . We just trust and Believe who He said He is . For many good reasons ,not the least raising from the dead . What your promoting which is not found in the bible ( as to the 'how to be saved ) a works based mentality which leads to defeat and despair for the believer.
I always like to ask . what do we have to do to be saved or keep saved ? whats the list and how many things to we have to do ? Obedience , loyalty, a promise of commitment is not the Gospel .
Notice the words in brackets in this verse .They are added . It should be 'called saints ' . And notice they ARE sanctified .
1¶Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2¶Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that ARE sanctified in Christ Jesus, called ( to be ) saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
No believer can make Jesus into something ..He Just is who He said He is . We just trust and Believe who He said He is . For many good reasons ,not the least raising from the dead . What your promoting which is not found in the bible ( as to the 'how to be saved ) a works based mentality which leads to defeat and despair for the believer.
I always like to ask . what do we have to do to be saved or keep saved ? whats the list and how many things to we have to do ? Obedience , loyalty, a promise of commitment is not the Gospel .
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We are transformed by a renewal by doing good works, striving to do good , stop sinning , give to charity, help old ladies across the road , stop smoking? no by the renewal of the mind . An inner transformation not a outward rehabilitation. Its through the word of God . Its what we believe that effects what we do . Lordship salvation is the biggest stumbling block to this transformation ,into legalism and stunted growth . It creates Aquariums that hold fish rather than men and women to go catch fish .
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Lordship salvation ( the debate ) is more than simply noting the difference between ' saviour ' and 'Lord ' . Thats not the issue . As if some believers only want a 'saviour' and not a ' Lord ' . This is about the historical dilemma of what some saw as how to deal with 'behaviour 'in Church . After all you can't have a bunch of 'elect 'folks behaving like the Corinthians. Elect people should be ....fill in the blank . Calvin had his standards , others had clothing , length of skirt ect , chewing gum or smoking. Give people rules in which the elect should measure up to . This was seen as dealing with Antinomianism .
Paul says ALL things are Lawful ,but not all things edify .
1 cor 10 23¶All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
And here's the opposite of that ...
///Salvation isn't the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it's the fruit of actions, not intentions. There's no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile...The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny" (Hard to Believe, p. 93).
John MacArther
Paul says ALL things are Lawful ,but not all things edify .
1 cor 10 23¶All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
And here's the opposite of that ...
///Salvation isn't the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it's the fruit of actions, not intentions. There's no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile...The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny" (Hard to Believe, p. 93).
John MacArther
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Lordship salvation ( the debate ) is more than simply noting the difference between ' saviour ' and 'Lord ' . Thats not the issue . As if some believers only want a 'saviour' and not a ' Lord ' . This is about the historical dilemma of what some saw as how to deal with 'behaviour 'in Church . After all you can't have a bunch of 'elect 'folks behaving like the Corinthians. Elect people should be ....fill in the blank . Calvin had his standards , others had clothing , length of skirt ect , chewing gum or smoking. Give people rules in which the elect should measure up to . This was seen as dealing with Antinomianism .
Paul says ALL things are Lawful ,but not all things edify .
1 cor 10 23¶All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Yes . Also a quote from John MacArther
Salvation isn't the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it's the fruit of actions, not intentions. There's no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile...The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny" (Hard to Believe, p. 93).
Paul says ALL things are Lawful ,but not all things edify .
1 cor 10 23¶All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Yes . Also a quote from John MacArther
Salvation isn't the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it's the fruit of actions, not intentions. There's no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile...The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny" (Hard to Believe, p. 93).
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ok calvinist’s, time to shine, do you agree with this?
considering I have never heard on person ever make this claim and this claim goes totally against your own belief that it is god who saves not our free will choices. Yet here if this is true, it is our free will choces that determin if we are saved or not, not regeneration? Is MacArthur a true calvinist? I have never studied his writings?
considering I have never heard on person ever make this claim and this claim goes totally against your own belief that it is god who saves not our free will choices. Yet here if this is true, it is our free will choces that determin if we are saved or not, not regeneration? Is MacArthur a true calvinist? I have never studied his writings?