The BASIC Difference between Arminians and Calvinists
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Not ' free will ' choices , but based on ' Election ' this is key for calvinsm . An Elect person who has been ' granted the Gift or faith and repentance ' will persevere in good works and holliness . ( of course allowing for some slip ups along the way , for Gods glory ) So as election is their basis for everything else , here's where ' Lordship salvation ' comes in to ensure the elect have assurance . Not based on scriptural reasoning , after all how could an elect person know he is truly elect unless he is persevering and round and round we go . Just like Arminism the trap is that you have to look to yourself. The works being the evidence or the fruit to stay save in the case of some armins .
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MacArthur has enough Calvinism in his teachings to make him someone to stay away from.
The Calvinist I know on here have adamantly defended his work to me many times and are highly offended if you say anything against MacArthur.
I consider him worse than outright Calvinists, in some ways, because of his it is more hidden.
The Calvinist I know on here have adamantly defended his work to me many times and are highly offended if you say anything against MacArthur.
I consider him worse than outright Calvinists, in some ways, because of his it is more hidden.
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I am on my third helping, I keep laying it out for others to join, but no one is eating it. I can’t let it go to waist 
I am actually suprised no calvinist are In here sitting the pot, although I have a few on ignore. Maybe they are?
I am actually suprised no calvinist are In here sitting the pot, although I have a few on ignore. Maybe they are?
John Piper a Calvinist? With his Lectio Divination? They can present better strawmen than that lol.
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May I refer you my posting # 3. If you have any objection there, then let's deal with it. I don't mind writing a page or two but it would not help to write about something you have found to be incorrect. The short of it is;
So God sets forth a road, a journey, for the newly born again Christian, and if he qualifies by utterly rejecting his things and putting God's things first, he will be REWARDED by (i) being a co-king with Christ in His Kingdom when He comes to EARTH, and (ii) by being allowed to enter the Wedding Feast of Christ. Both Calvin and Arminius missed this because they thought that believers go to heaven at death. The other side of the coin is that Christians who are slothful, unfaithful, fleshly, habitual sinners, immature and defeated, will be found NOT WORTHY of this Kingdom. BUT THEIR REBIRTH, JUSTIFICATION, SANCTIFICATION AND SONSHIP TO GOD ARE NOT REMOVED. They simply are banned from the presence of Christ in disgrace (outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth), and their TRAINING continues into the next age. In some cases they are actively chastised by the Lord (Matt.24:48-51; Lk.12:47-48). This is what the LOSS is. The slothful servant of the Lord is NOT ALLOWED the fame and pleasure of the KINGDOM. But just like any Father, God does not destroy them. He CHASTISES them and continues their Training. By Revelation 21:3-4 we see them RESTORED.
Israel broke their Covenant with God and murdered their Messiah. God chastises them for 2,000 years and then restores them (Hos.6:2; Act.15:14-16). Christians who accepted the rigors of their training in their lifetime, who denied themselves and took up their crosses daily, who learned obedience above all and who were faithful in small things, will be sons of God WHO INHERIT THE EARTH. Christians who refused the rigors of a tough training, who pandered to themselves and who did evil, will be sons of God WHO FORFEIT THE KINGDOM ON EARTH. That - is what both Calvin and Arminius missed. They focused on heaven instead of the Kingdom ON EARTH.
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Genesis 1.26-28, 17:8, 48:4, Romans 4:12-13, Psalm 8:4-8, 37:11, Daniel.2:35, 44, Matthew 6:10, 25:1-30, etc., etc. See the Parables about the Kingdom. In every case a man is allowed into the Kingdom because of WORKS. But the Kingdom, in every case, is ON EARTH. It is NOT, "The Kingdom IN Heaven". It is, "The Kingdom (out) OF Heaven."
Once you know what to look for it is so clear that the INHERITANCE of the Christian IS THE EARTH.
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Revelation 11:15)
If Calvin and/or Arminius had seen this, we would not be discussing them today.
- Christianity was "leavened" (as Matthew 13 predicted) by a Woman. This Woman appears again in Revelation 17 - Rome
- Christianity took over doctrines that the Bible does not even allude to
- Christianity at large believe that when a Christian dies, he/she goes to heaven
- The Bible says that God made man for the earth (Gen.1:26-28; Ps.8:4-8; Rom.4:13; Heb.2:5-7)
- The Bible never rescinds this goal. It ends with a City for Ruling, coming down to a renewed earth (Rev.21:2, 22:5)
- Throughout the Bible the battle is about who will get the earth
So God sets forth a road, a journey, for the newly born again Christian, and if he qualifies by utterly rejecting his things and putting God's things first, he will be REWARDED by (i) being a co-king with Christ in His Kingdom when He comes to EARTH, and (ii) by being allowed to enter the Wedding Feast of Christ. Both Calvin and Arminius missed this because they thought that believers go to heaven at death. The other side of the coin is that Christians who are slothful, unfaithful, fleshly, habitual sinners, immature and defeated, will be found NOT WORTHY of this Kingdom. BUT THEIR REBIRTH, JUSTIFICATION, SANCTIFICATION AND SONSHIP TO GOD ARE NOT REMOVED. They simply are banned from the presence of Christ in disgrace (outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth), and their TRAINING continues into the next age. In some cases they are actively chastised by the Lord (Matt.24:48-51; Lk.12:47-48). This is what the LOSS is. The slothful servant of the Lord is NOT ALLOWED the fame and pleasure of the KINGDOM. But just like any Father, God does not destroy them. He CHASTISES them and continues their Training. By Revelation 21:3-4 we see them RESTORED.
Israel broke their Covenant with God and murdered their Messiah. God chastises them for 2,000 years and then restores them (Hos.6:2; Act.15:14-16). Christians who accepted the rigors of their training in their lifetime, who denied themselves and took up their crosses daily, who learned obedience above all and who were faithful in small things, will be sons of God WHO INHERIT THE EARTH. Christians who refused the rigors of a tough training, who pandered to themselves and who did evil, will be sons of God WHO FORFEIT THE KINGDOM ON EARTH. That - is what both Calvin and Arminius missed. They focused on heaven instead of the Kingdom ON EARTH.
See ...
Genesis 1.26-28, 17:8, 48:4, Romans 4:12-13, Psalm 8:4-8, 37:11, Daniel.2:35, 44, Matthew 6:10, 25:1-30, etc., etc. See the Parables about the Kingdom. In every case a man is allowed into the Kingdom because of WORKS. But the Kingdom, in every case, is ON EARTH. It is NOT, "The Kingdom IN Heaven". It is, "The Kingdom (out) OF Heaven."
Once you know what to look for it is so clear that the INHERITANCE of the Christian IS THE EARTH.
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Revelation 11:15)
If Calvin and/or Arminius had seen this, we would not be discussing them today.
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I think one major issue is everyone wants to make it a Calvin vs Arminian argument when most people are neither. And it defeats any true discussion because if you believe in eternal security/OSAS your automatically seen as a Calvinist. If you believe in NOSAS your deemed an Arminian
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It’s ok. I have no desire to discuss that right now I want to get this one settled first, but thanks
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MacArthur is very wrong on a number of things and so critical of those who do not agree with him, that he basically tells them they are going to hell, and not just those who are non-cessationists.
He says some very good things but his interpretation of certain doctrines is totally skewed and he seems to be getting worse
He has stated that if you are saved without 'Lordship salvation' then you are not saved. Period.
santification is ongoing and knowledge is ongoing. NO ONE is instantly totally regenerated and comes to full knowledge of Jesus
there are ridiculous claims being made in this thread
He says some very good things but his interpretation of certain doctrines is totally skewed and he seems to be getting worse
He has stated that if you are saved without 'Lordship salvation' then you are not saved. Period.
santification is ongoing and knowledge is ongoing. NO ONE is instantly totally regenerated and comes to full knowledge of Jesus
there are ridiculous claims being made in this thread