What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

Yes whosever believes is saved .

• a lost man believes the gospel and is saved

if they were truly following the father then they would ' recognise ' the Son . They were not Following and learning of the Father and thus rejected the Son when they saw him and heard him . Unlike the ones genuinely learning of the Father and had not been decieved by the devil . This i s before the cross and the giving of the Holy spirit . To jews . This is not about gentiles in 2020 who cannot believe the G osepl
unless they are zapped by God in a hindu awakening experience.

thanks, this is the good part

we've got X ≠ X -- the lost becomes found! Adam is taken from the ground where he was made and placed in the garden - why not created in the garden? why not walk there himself? how far away was he made? why did he have to be placed?

how does X become 'not X' ?
there's some function applied G(X) = Y, and we're not talking about X anymore, we're talking about Y
X, by Theorem John 3:18, is condemned. not saved. by definition, because X does not believe
it is Y, who believes, that is saved.

X is the preimage of Y, and G transforms X, mapping it to Y

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if Y believes, X is no more -- Y is a new creation, effected by G

so what is G?
how does G act on X?
does G originate with X?
is G 1:1? is G onto? does an inverse G' exist?

this no longer applies because it's 2020 now?
really?
that's the best you got?
you think that's exegesis? bro that's flat out running away and hiding from Christ's words.

tell me about this passage. what is He telling them?
does anyone who is not born of God hear God's words?
does the Lord say it's 'because ya ain't trying hard enough' ?
what's all this talk of fathers about? about origins? about descendancy and inheritance? of absolutes?
do you change your ancestry? do you crawl into another mother's womb and become her son? or does that kind of thing require a supernatural transformation originating with and accomplished by the power of an outside force?
you started this thread asking for people to set 'em up so you could knock 'em down. go ahead and take another swing?

By God's foreknowledge he saw that no one would seek him, no, not one, Psalms 53:2 If God had not chosen an elect people from among those that would not seek him, none of us would go to heaven. Had God predestined all mankind to go to heaven, instead of giving them the freedom to choose for themselves, all mankind would be in heaven. God is "JUST" in his choosing.

Is that what the scripture says?
Luke 18
9 Jesus[x] also told this parable to some who were confident that they were righteous and looked down[y] on everyone else. 10 “Two men went up[z] to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee[aa] and the other a tax collector.[ab] 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed about himself like this:[ac] ‘God, I thank[ad] you that I am not like other people:[ae] extortionists,[af] unrighteous people,[ag] adulterers—or even like this tax collector.[ah] 12 I fast twice[ai] a week; I give a tenth[aj] of everything I get.’ 13 The tax collector, however, stood[ak] far off and would not even look up[al] to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, be merciful[am] to me, sinner that I am!’[an] 14 I tell you that this man went down to his home justified[ao] rather than the Pharisee.[ap] For everyone who exalts[aq] himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”


The tulip doctrine, in any form, is that which allows the believer in it to exalt himself as one picked by God to be saved. While it must conversely teach God picked those whom he would damn. If all that was predetermined before the world by the creator of it, humans have no need to hold faith, hope, or belief. Because God already saved whom he would save and God does not change. (Numbers 23:19)

No we do not all agree.

A man can not redeem himself by any works of the LAW.
The works of Abraham are a different matter since they are works of FAITH.

Faulty analogy. We are not the first Man and woman.
Just like a drug addict can realise He is hopelessly trapped in his pattern of behaviour and in bodage to substance . A sinner can realise his lost ness when confronted by the truth of the gosepl . The Gosepl is the Power of God .

sinner can realise his lost ness when confronted by the truth of the gosepl . The Gosepl is the Power of God .

But abraham did those works of faith because he believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness (Rom 4)

If it is the unbelieving who causes himself to believe, then it is not the power of God, but the power of man.

Why do you keep making excuses to ignore the scripture?

See the Ethiopian Eunuch.

And the promise to Abraham was not passed through the son of his own devising but through the supernatural birth.

'how can I understand unless someone explains it to me?'

It is the gift of God, coming from outside ourselves into ourselves, acting on ourselves. The eye sees nothing unless light first shines into it. See Ecclesiastes, and the gifts of the Spirit, and the incarnation of Christ

He was searching for truth and God used Phillip to give it to him. God nor Phillip forced him to believe.

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

"How can they go unless they are sent?"

All of this originates with God; it is to His glory and by His power

They responded to the Son because they actually were followers of the Torah

Just like a marvel fan at comic con

You missed my point

no one would come unless god came to us, he sends the Hs to the world. Not just the elect. Hence the world has no excuse. Because they know God.. god did not keep them from knowing him, just allowed them to continue to love their sin. Or their religion.

Not all people know God. There are many in this world that believe in evolution, and does not believe that God exists.