When are we saved ?

I'm just asking why the need to labour on the part of Gods ' knowledge ' of this .

God does foreknow all who will be conformed to the image of His Son..

no the bible clearly says He reconciled the world . 2cor 5 19

Foreknow” is being known by God

It does not refer to any time prior to conversion. (

We don't save ourselves anymore than Naaman saved himself .

How does Gods knowledge of what you would do before you believed reassure you , now that you are in Christ Jesus ?

Exactly, no one can eternally save themselves, and that includes trying to save themselves, by accepting Christ's death on the cross.

There we are. I think I may have figured out where our disconnect is. We only associate foreknowing with foreknowledge. You associate foreknowing with the intimate knowing that God only shares with His born again children, yes?

I love you, but this post is waaayyyyyyy out in left field.

Colossians. 2

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Notice its THROUGH FAITH
No I think your mixing up Gods knowledge with determination. God gave Adam dominion. We have the choice . We are ONLY known as a Son after regeneration. Until then we are lost and without hope ,without God . Ephesians 2 .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
What your sharing is a paradigm .

I love you, but this post is waaayyyyyyy out in left field.

This takes some patience as the Calvinist has been duped into thinking all non calvinists believe we save ourselves.

It would be helpful if you would referenced some scriptures with your comment.

John
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

I believe these verses in John 3:18 through 21 is referencing the regenerated person, and not the natural man, before he has been regenerated.

I believe these verses in John 3:18 through 21 is referencing the regenerated person, and not the natural man, before he has been regenerated.

Umm. ever imagine, those who don't believed are still regenerated?