Livable wage

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SoulWeaver

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Most people call something a "livable" wage if it fulfills the criteria: "if you're barely not homeless, you're still good". Considering that many people live in extreme poverty, I can see where that is coming from. But I believe that definitions have moved over time, and there is this mentality to consider "rich" anyone who has a little something in life, people are often not realizing that these people don't actually have that much more; typically they are not filthy rich, although it may appear like this when you're looking from a low working class perspective. Many simply worked very hard for the number of years to establish what they have, and they have needs and some wants met in life but that's it. With health and dental care being as expensive as they are, something that might look like decent savings can melt down quickly. I think this just shows how much money has moved towards the filthy rich and global disappearance of the middle class and widening of the gap, so anyone who has something is considered "wooo, they're rich" when this is actually questionable categorizing.

I would rather call it a truly livable wage if you can own a vehicle (not fancy or new a just working one) and a place to live (as opposed to renting), be able to afford insurance on your home, and save up some money for retirement and eventual health bills if you can't afford health insurance. It means being capable of dealing with emergencies like getting your car fixed, because if you can't, in a lot of places you can't even get to work so your livelihood depends upon your car; in America you need a car to get anywhere, except in metro areas. So it's not just about paying core bills, because there are many things livelihood depends upon, and if this goes wrong you're basically done for and can become homeless. Easily. A truly livable wage, imo, means not being dependent upon other people or being at their mercy.
 
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kaylagrl

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DWR said:
There is a lot of talk about a livable wage.
What is your definition of a livable wage?
If some one makes enough for food , shelter, and clothing, is that a livable wage?
What would you add to that list as being necessary and not what some one might want?
Minimum wage in my state goes to $11 per hour on January first. That will easily pay for necessary food, shelter, and clothing, with some left for wants.
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Different for every person, every families needs are different. That's why the majority of people who know about socialism don't want it in this country. And when those who don't know about learn what it is, they also don't want it.
 
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theLastEndWatcher

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Genipher said:
So Pakistan can't --or won't-- fix this issue unless the US throws money at them?
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This right here.

It's not our job to fix backwards countries with taxpayer dollars. Leave that to charities. It's not charity when you force people to pay for it when that money needs to be going to help our own drowning, breaking country.

It's a publicity stunt.

I'm sorry the women there are suffering. Maybe all the screaming liberal feminists in the US can get on a plane and go over there and do something about it instead of bashing men for well. Because men.

But they won't.

Still, that'd have a far greater effect than throwing money to a country whose problem is their behavior. Why is $10 million going to fix it?

Education does not fix this problem. It's a cultural and attitude thing. Their government is more than capable of fixing it.
 
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theLastEndWatcher

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KT88 said:
It's not for "gender studies". It's for gender equality tied to the backward treatment of women.

The legislation, running into more than 5,500 pages, which now heads to the White House for President Trump to sign it into law, makes available a minimum of USD 15 million in assistance to Pakistan "for democracy programs" and USD 10 million "for gender programs."

Appearing on Fox News, Senator Graham justified the move.

"Pakistan is a place I really worry about. Eighty-five countries a woman can't open up a bank account without her husband's signature. She can't inherit property. If you're a young girl in Pakistan life is pretty tough. So we're trying to make life better for women throughout the world," he said.

Full article:

https://www.business-standard.com/a...er-programmes-in-pakistan-120122201575_1.html
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Not our job to fix that. If they need us to give them $10 million to educate people, then the problem is that their government is not making it a priority.

Liberal screamers get auto ignored by me, sorry.

Maybe it's time for the feminists here to stop whining about imaginary problems (beyond violent crime, or equating their pet peeves with violent crime) and to get on a plane and go to Pakistan to change someone else's culture.

It's not our job to worry about other cultures. It's a different country. You know the Bible actually teaches a lot of things that put women subservient to men right?

The social justice culture has dragged us to the brink of destruction.
I don't believe for a minute that Pakistan needs $10 million to fix a problem their own culture causes and perpetuates.
 
Oncefallen

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theLastEndWatcher said:
Education does not fix this problem. It's a cultural and attitude thing. Their government is more than capable of fixing it.
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I don't at all disagree with your premise that it isn't the US taxpayer's issue however, I will disagree with the premise that education doesn't fix it.

The Communists in the early to mid 20th century recognized that controlling education was the key to shifting societal thought. If you control what children learn then you control the future of the culture. The culture shift in European and North American countries is the direct result of decades of the extreme left controlling the education system (predominantly upper education) and in the process pushing out conservative thought.
 
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Oncefallen said:
I don't at all disagree with your premise that it isn't the US taxpayer's issue however, I will disagree with the premise that education doesn't fix it.

The Communists in the early to mid 20th century recognized that controlling education was the key to shifting societal thought. If you control what children learn then you control the future of the culture. The culture shift in European and North American countries is the direct result of decades of the extreme left controlling the education system (predominantly upper education) and in the process pushing out conservative thought.
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Allow me to rephrase. Education on a local level yes, is about influencing how people think. But the question we need to be asking is instead "why is Pakistan not doing the educating of their own people?"

Why does it take us throwing 10 million at them to do it? There's something wrong with this picture.
 
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