Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson

Please quote the scripture that says “God causes us to believe”.

You have no scripture in your posts, only opinions.

Eternal Salvation is given to those who obey the Lord.[/QUTOE]
Eternal salvation is given to those who believe in Christ as Savior.

Salvation:

Mark 16:16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 11:14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.'

Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 10:9, 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

2 Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Eternal Life:

John 3:15-16 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

1 Tim 1:16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Acts 10:43 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Acts 15:9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.'

Then you must believe that Paul's answer to the jailer was in error. Is that right? Paul said nothing about "obeying" to him.

And neither to the 27 verses above I just gave you.

In Hebrews, the ONLY place where salvation is linked to "obey", it is used to refer to listening and harkening to Jesus' words.

But not EVERY word He said, but specifically, in relation to salvation, these words:

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 5-
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

John 14:6 - Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 11-
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

I recommend NOT having a one verse theology. Very dangerous.

That is PRECISELY WHY the Law leads us to Christ and WHY those who are of the works of the Law are under the curse. Because they can't obey the command.

Only by coming to Christ can we be given rest from that curse.

There are lots of commands that God gives that people THINK they can obey but they can't.

That is the reason for Ezekiel 36:24-27

So how about this question: if God calls these things everlasting, yet we are not under the letter of them, and they are shadows and Christ is the substance, what is Yom Kippur in Him?

I have everlasting need of Him ❤️

Here is God's grace in action. gifting a new heart, a new spirit, to those whom God caused to scatter abroad, foreordaining what they will do when they are re-gathered. And to those that don't respond to God's gracious gifts HE punishes. So too with God's offer of grace and gifts of salvation and faith.

Ezekiel 11:14And the word of the LORD came to me: 15“Son of man, your brothers, even your brothers, your kinsmen,b the whole house of Israel, all of them, are those of whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, ‘Go far from the LORD; to us this land is given for a possession.’ 16Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: Though I removed them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the countries, yet I have been a sanctuary to them for a whilec in the countries where they have gone.’ 17Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’ 18And when they come there, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. 19And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I willd bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD.”

It is clear to me that you are not teachable. You have no verses that actually say what you claim, and I've shown you verses that refute your talking points, yet you are unfazed by the truth.

And here, you mention "those who don't respond to God's gracious gifts" when all along you'd made clear that God must CAUSE people to believe, respond, etc. So you also internally contradicted.

And you are oblivious to it all.


V.19 describes the new birth, which is the RESULT of believing in the Messiah. And believing is from the heart (Rom 10:9), not from God.

But it seems you will never learn.

I do have a question for you, though. Why are you so interested in OT rituals?

Do you think they fit in to NT theology?

Only when 'faith' is a noun, never a verb.

Only when 'faith' is a noun, never a verb. God does NOT CAUSE anyone to believe.

So, I see from another message to which you replied that you're a follower of antinomianism-hypergrace theology.

I did not know that. Well, that explains a lot.

On the one hand, I don't quite get why, as an antinomian hypergracer, you don't believe that God's offer of grace is strong enough to override man's dead spiritual state, change their spiritually dead consious and cause them to believe.

On the other hand, knowing now that you hold to unbiblical antinomian hypergrace theology, it's no wonder that you would deny that salvation repentance and faith are gifts of God's grace.

They are testimonies of the person of Christ - that's what the whole OT is. The whole reason God gave these things to Israel is to teach them, and us, about Christ.

FreeGrace2 said: "I recommend NOT having a one verse theology. Very dangerous. "

I suggest one should have a theology that does not contradict with any verse in Scripture. Then one does not need to worry about someone else finding a verse that shoots down one's theology!

That is very sage advice! I wholly agree!

That is very sage advice! I wholly agree!

I've also shown you the verse that says the grace of God OFFERS salvation to everyone. So there goes the highly unbiblical doctrine of limited atonement. Boom!!

Sage advice, yet you reject it out-of-hand when you deny what scripture clearly says, namely:

that faith is a gift, that God causes people to believe/have changed hearts, and that God causes hardened hearts at HIS will.