Did Christ change God?

To the title: Jesus Christ IS God; He did not "change" God.

Blik said:

There was a major change with Christ, for before Christ commands were often explained through commands to act them out in the flesh like cutting skin to act out circumcision, and with Christ that was taken away. Now God speaks to us directly through the holy spirit.

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There was one such command: human males are to be circumcised. For one under the old covenant, failure to do so was to reject the covenant.

Blik said:

Some people say that the truths of God changed. They say there was no grace before Christ. They say the old covenant taught works, the new replaced works with faith. They say Christ made the world new and different. They back this up by pointing out that Christ fulfilled the law.

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Christ did indeed fulfill the law, but He didn't make the world "new and different"; I don't know where you got that idea. I do wish you would quote actual statements by actual people instead of claiming "Some people say...".

Blik said:

There are two ways of interpreting the word fulfill. One way is to say Christ made all the promises of the old covenant come true and it was now in full operation. The other way is to interpret that to mean that because Christ fulfilled the promises that they are done with and God threw them out.

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Neither of these is consistent with Jesus' use of the word. He meant, "to make complete" as in to render the obligations paid in full. The old covenant was not "in full operation" with the death of Christ; it was done. As I have explained before, Jesus essentially made the last payment on the mortgage of the old covenant; nothing more was owed. Nobody in their right mind continues to make payments once the mortgage has been paid in full. Further, God didn't throw anything out; He left the old covenant right where it was, but stamped, "paid in full" on it in Jesus' blood.

Blik said:

Others say that it can all be explained by understanding that God was speaking and working with the Hebrews, not with the truth of the Lord.

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Huh? I have never seen this idea before anywhere on this forum, or anywhere else. God did indeed speak specifically to the Hebrews, but that was the truth of the Lord.

Blik said:

They say that what the Lord told Israel was for them alone, not for us. I don’t understand that way of thinking, but it seems they think that the new covenant meant God suddenly included the gentiles when God spoke.

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I know you don't understand it. That's why you keep making these posts, and why I keep telling you the same thing. God didn't "suddenly" include the gentiles in the new covenant; they were always going to be included in it. That's the meaning of God's words to Abram, "Through you all nations will be blessed." Through Abram came Jesus Christ, Whose blood was shed for the sins of gentiles as well as the sins of Jews.

Blik said:

When God spoke to us differently, when God spoke to our hearts, there was a change. What do you think changed?

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You just stated the answer to your question: God writes the law on the hearts of those who believe in Jesus, as He promised He would do. Prior to Jesus' death, He did not do that.

Man changed in Eden when we filled satans word and so This changed our perception

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭

the law came like that

“And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the Lord came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.

And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord, lest he break forth upon them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:18-21, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they were kept from seeing and knowing God because of thier sin and the separation it caused and death it brings

Christ came in our form not terrifying fire because he was coming to remit sin he called us near like this

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is able to fall
Men into his presence and not be destroyed so we can know him in truth without the terror that causes us to not hear

“And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:19‬ ‭

This lead to the promise of Christ who would come and speak his word later

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the fulfillment of that promised law giver

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his fulfillment is he fulfilled all
Of the promises of the lord to come like that one he is literally the promises God made in the Old Testament come to
Pass

they were never able to really hear God because thier hearts were hard by sin and it created terror in his presence Christ came as a man d called sinners near to him to be saved through repentance

Did Christ change God?


Christ is God.

Yes. Amen.

As i stop laughing i must point out a few things

1. CHRIST IS GOD. He did not change him

2. There you go again bearing false witness against others…..NO ONE HAS EVER SAID GOD’S TRUTH HAS CHANGED

the more you try to attack people. The more you condemn yourself.

If you would like to make a post, please do so but this is not your post. I didn't ask you to rewrite it, but to tell us what your interpretation of scripture is. I have a mother, scripture, God, the holy spirit. I do not need you to try to take their place.

I agree, the change is in how God presented his ways to us, it is wrote the law on our hearts. Thank you for that.

I asked for your comments on scripture, not your put downs. Please keep to scripture. Have you ever read scripture that you seem so unable to speak of it? I recommend that you go to scripture instead of living in your world of only being worldly critical. You are good at advice, expert of ways of the world, can you accept what you so freely give?

Yes, God in His great love and mercy had us move the law from the stony tablets of our head into our new hearts that we receive after we accept His Atonement. Praise Him!

Exactly, and God changes not.

Just as now, many do not hear God. Scripture tells us that narrow is the way and few find it. But it seems to me that when God created the Hebrews to keep the knowledge of God alive in the world and to show the heathen nations what God was like, there was some success. David gave us the psalms, even though he was a sinner, he did know God as am example.

I have found the first five books of scripture, the Torah, to be the foundation of all scripture and tells what Christ fulfilled. That was under the old covenant.

yes it’s definately not useless and is a great teacher about sin and mans in capability to be right . When the law came they were inherently sinners but they had no knowledge of what sin is so the law came to inform man of sin and death

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s not us now we have been given the knowledge of salvstion that we may know Gods righteousness know his truth without the veil of fire keeping us in fear. Because of our sins

Christ offers this knowledge

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s not about knowing sin anymore but it’s about knowing the truth of God without the sin barrier that kept us in the dark hiding from Gods word

it’s why as you say many still won’t come to Christ and hear what he said it’s this now and they don’t see it

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


that’s Gods word in truth , Moses actually taught a law that was never able to save anyone’s soul it was meant to bring us to the understanding that sin is death and we all have sin so it concludes With our condemnation of we’ve sinned Christ is about remitting sin so we can approach and hear and believe him

“And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:1-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law would have sounded like the gospel but it wasn’t for the same purpose they couldn’t come bear and hear him this was also
Impossible under the law


“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it accomplishes this

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law couldn’t do that it was intended to impute sins but as you say it’s very very useful indeed it just isn’t our governing law is all the one offering eternal life is

Did Christ change God?

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No, God does not change:

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Nothing changed. God's dealings with men started in earnest with Abraham, not the nation of Israel. God's promise was that all the families of the earth would be blessed. The promised seed was not Isaac, but looked forward to Lord Jesus. (Galatians 3:16) So while the Jews are Abraham's physical descendants, Lord Jesus is the Promised One. (Genesis 22:18)

Christ has not changed the world. He overcame the world. It is still God's enemy.

The New Covenant is of faith, of life, of grace, not Law. The born again live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Before Christ, it was up to man to obey the law as best he could, under threat of extreme punishment for disobedience and the promise of great reward for obedience.

Before Christ, only a few had the blessing of the Holy Spirit. It was reserved for prophets, priests, judges and then kings. Now all who are born again have the indwelling Holy Spirit and they may also enjoy the baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer does an earthly priest represent man to God (one of my beefs with Catholicism). Every believer has full rights to enter God's presence. We don't need fancy robes (sorry, Orthodox), we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

The problem with the law v grace discussion is that it misses the point. Everyone is born dead in trespass and sin. The Law simply exposed the innate pride and rebellion of the human heart. It still does. Lord Jesus expounded the Law in the sermon on the mount. He did not make it easier. He showed God's true intent. It is not just hard, it is impossible! For us, that is. In Christ, we are made alive. We then have the opportunity to live, not by the law, but by the inner leading and empowering of the Life of Christ within.

If Christians only realised that they no longer have to strive to be something, life would be much easier. If they saw that it is the life of Christ that gives the motivation to obey and the power to obey, they would overcome the problems that beset them.

The New Covenant is about relationship. You can't have fellowship with a stone. Rules are for young children to obey blindly. God wants a people that He can be friends with, as He was with Abraham.

The question is, will we pay the price? To be born again costs nothing. To be a friend of God costs everything.

What some miss is the OP title is a question that invites respectful opinions and debate. Not a statement that does not.

Regarding the OP Title: NO.

God is the same today as He was yesterday, and as He will be tomorrow.

What you are speaking of is His Master Plan being realized here on earth.

While "things" may have changed, God has not. Nor has His Master Plan for Mankind.

We are
We are joined to Israel through God's covenant of grace with Abraham not through the covenant of the law through Moses.

There is not/cannot possibly be any grace in the law. It cannot be altered or bend to the slightest degree or else it at once ceases to be the law.

The law came by Moses but grace and truth by Jesus Christ.

[QUOTE="Gideon300, post: 4654325, member: 306029
The New Covenant is of faith, of life, of grace, not Law.
.[/QUOTE] According to Psalms 119 and many verses in the new testament, tcChe law is a blessing given to us to be used by us in many different ways. It leads us to Christ, it even marks the road we are to travel as people who belong to God. It is part of our faith in Christ because Christ within in to walk with Him and Christ walked with the law marking the road. We cannot disobey the law in our hearts and have Christ in our hearts.

Repenting of sin has been at the heart of accepting God from Genesis to Revelation. Saints who used the flood of animals as the blood of God given on the altar had such great faith in God that they did this before they were told it was the blood of Christ. Yet saints who had slept in the Lord through faith walked the streets of Jerusalem when the curtain split when Christ was crucified. Check out Matt. 27:52-53.

And Jesus Christ was from the beginning, it is only through His blood given on the altar that sin has ever been forgiven and humans may have eternal life. Lev. 17:11. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

God always was, and His plan was established from the foundation of the earth. In the fullness of time, His plan is revealed in the earth and is incremental (e.g. He reveals more of His plan as the right time arrives).