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Nice try but neither one of those fits the definition of genocide as no woman has ever been forced to have an abortion

Nice try but neither one of those fits the definition of genocide as no woman has ever been forced to have an abortion

You don't even understand the definition of straw man. The straw man fallacy is arguing against an argument that your opponent isn't making

What?? China has had forced abortions.

You don't know what you are talking about. First, genocide is wiping all people out, now it is some leftover.

You are free to be zealously opposed to abortion. I wonder if you think it is allowed to save a woman's life.

However, you're not free to rewrite the definition of Genocide. Because that would be dishonest.
To follow, excerpts from source:
UNITED NATIONS

"The word “genocide” was first coined by Polish lawyer Raphäel Lemkin in 1944 in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe. It consists of the Greek prefix genos, meaning race or tribe, and the Latin suffix cide, meaning killing."

" Genocide was first recognised as a crime under international law in 1946 by the United Nations General Assembly (A/RES/96-I)."


" Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocid
Article I

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as suc

Killing members of the grou
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Elements of the crim
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main element

A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; a
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively
Killing members of the grou
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the grou
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in par
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the grou
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another grou
The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. "pptpp:nds:.e.;;;p;h:Ieal or religious group.

the thread is
"ku klux klan'

aka too many means = racism, and racist organization.

Down through the years they have killed, lynched, bombed, raped, black people. They have had a high position in Office for years as KKK Leader Senator Byrd. The KKK supported programs like planned parenthood which was created to kill black in New York to reduce the population of them. You disagree with that, fine, I care less what you think. You are not a Christian, you have a secular humanistic worldview. therefore I do not expect you to draw the same conclusion THAT many do here.

That's the thing. The thread is about the KKK. Not abortion, Genocide, or China.

You just got done posting what you thought was a correction in my understanding of Genocide.

YOU were wrong and I provided it. Now try to change the script to hide your flip.


"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

Thank you for proving Abortion is Genocide as I said it was I am not alone in that.

Right from your own supporting source of what it is. Thank you

Apart from some ignored people, you are the only one who have replied on the last page apart from ZNP. It looks a bit spammy, so I suggest you drop it. Think you are being baited. Unless you reply to every signle comment here. Your replies are not adressed at anybody, so there is a glitch if you reply to people. I would look into that if I were you before replying more. Good luck.

"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

Thank you for proving Abortion is Genocide as I said it was I am not alone in that

Apart from some ignored people, you are the only one who have replied on the last page apart from ZNP. It looks a bit spammy, so I suggest you drop it. Think you are being baited. Unless you reply to every signle comment here. Your replies are not adressed at anybody, so there is a glitch if you reply to people. I would look into that if I were you before replying more. Good luck.

You just got done posting what you thought was a correction in my understanding of Genocide.

YOU were wrong and I provided it. Now try to change the script to hide your flip.


"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

Thank you for proving Abortion is Genocide as I said it was I am not alone in that.

Right from your own supporting source of what it is. Thank you

That's the thing. The thread is about the KKK. Not abortion, Genocide, or China.

Thank you I placed those on ignoring so I will not respond to them anymore I will place my comment in the general discussion box so all can see it with their respones.

No, I wasn't wrong. You just don't like the true meaning of Genocide.

You insisting on continuing to derail this topic is wrong and inconsiderate of the OP.

Margaret Sanger was an out and out genocidal racist and had close ties with the KKK and also influenced Adolph Hitler.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, has an ignoble legacy as a racist who addressed the Ku Klux Klan and initiated a Negro Project to reduce the population of poor, uneducated African Americans whom she considered unfit to reproduce themselves. This Margaret Sanger—the real Margaret Sanger—is completely whitewashed in Parenthood propaganda, which deceitfully portrays Sanger as a champion of reproductive “choice.”

Even more incriminating than Sanger’s racism, however, is her close association with Nazism. Sanger was part of a community of American progressives who championed two remedies to get rid of “unfit” populations. The first was forced sterilization, which was Sanger’s preferred solution.

Sanger wanted to make it look like the sterilizations were voluntary. In a 1932 article, Sanger called for women to be segregated from the larger community onto “farms and homesteads” where they would be “taught to work under competent instructors” and prevented from reproducing “for the period of their entire lives.” If the women didn’t want to live this way, they could get out of it by consenting to be sterilized.2

The other progressive solution was “euthanasia,” which basically involved killing off the sick, the aged, and the physically and mentally disabled. One of Sanger’s colleagues, the California progressive Paul Popenoe, called for “lethal chambers” so that large numbers of “unfit” people could be systematically lined up and killed.3

The Nazis learned about these American programs, and enthusiastically adopted them. As Edwin Black documents in his book The War Against the Weak, the Nazi sterilization law of 1933 and the subsequent Nazi euthanasia laws were both based on blueprints drawn up by Sanger, Popenoe and other American progressives.4

In fact, the “lethal chambers” the Nazis employed using carbon monoxide gas to kill off “imbeciles” and other undesirables were the first death camps. Later these very facilities were expanded into Hitler’s “final solution” for the Jews, using many of the same medical personnel who manned the euthanasia killing facilities.

Sanger’s close associates Clarence Gamble, who funded Sanger and spoke at her conferences, and Lothrop Stoddard, who published in Sanger’s magazine and served on the board of her American Birth Control League, both knew about the Nazi sterilization and euthanasia programs and praised them. Stoddard traveled to Germany where he met with top Nazi officials and even secured an audience with Hitler. His 1940 book Into the Darkness is a paean to Hitler and Nazi eugenics.5

Sanger too was on board. In 1933, Sanger’s magazine Birth Control Review published an article on “Eugenic Sterilization” by Ernst Rudin, chief architect of the Nazi sterilization program and mentor of Josef Mengele, the notorious Nazi doctor at Auschwitz. Sanger’s magazine also reprinted a pamphlet that Rudin had prepared for British eugenicists.

Writing in 1938, when the Nazi program was in full swing, Sanger urged America to follow Hitler’s example. Using the language of Social Darwinism—the same language that Hitler uses in Mein Kampf—Sanger wrote, “In animal industry, the poor stock is not allowed to breed. In gardens, the weeds are kept down.” America, Sanger concluded, must learn from the Nazis and carry out nature’s own mandate of getting rid of “human weeds.”6

Hitler never quotes Margaret Sanger, but he was inspired by the writings of two of her associates, Leon Whitney of the American Eugenics Society and Madison Grant of the New York Zoological Society. During the 1930s, Whitney on one occasion visited Grant to proudly show him a letter he had just received from Hitler requesting a copy of Whitney’s book The Case for Sterilization.

Not to be outdone, Grant pulled out his own letter from Hitler, which praised Grant for writing The Passing of the Great Race, a book Hitler called his eugenic “Bible.”7 This incident shows how progressive eugenicists in America were well aware of their impact on Hitler and proud of their association with him.

Another example of progressive enthusiasm for Hitler involves Charles Goethe, founder of the Eugenics Society of Northern California, who upon returning from a 1934 fact-finding trip to Germany, wrote a congratulatory letter to his fellow progressive Eugene Gosney, head of the San Diego-based Human Betterment Foundation.

“You will be interested to know,” Goethe’s letter said, “that work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought, and particularly by the work of the Human Betterment Foundation. I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life.”8