Doctrine of Unconditional Election

So, according to your definition and relative to Tit 3:7, we have been justified by His grace and heirs according to the hope
of eternal life. Sounds like being saved to me. Notice, the "justified by His grace", and not "justified by our faith">

[Tit 3:7 KJV]
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 3:24 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[1Co 6:11 KJV] 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

You're no Jesus. You being controversial in no wise compares to him.

And no. You prove it yourself. All of it. Which is why it is there to be witnessed.
Sad.

So, according to your definition and relative to Tit 3:7, we have been justified by His grace and heirs according to the hope
of eternal life. Sounds like being saved to me. Notice, the "justified by His grace", and not "justified by our faith">

[Tit 3:7 KJV]
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 3:24 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[1Co 6:11 KJV] 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Because we're not perfect so whatever we produce will be imperfect, including any supposed faith that we might perceive as from ourselves

Please point out where I've been "refuted" if you can. I would appreciate it.


Well, there you go again. Highly emotional and throwing charges that you cannot prove. Nice try is right.

This seems to be about all you have in your "armament". You give little or no Scripture to back up or support your claims. Most of your comments are just hypersensitive criticisms of others (me).

It is your tactics that are childish. But childish people don't recognize their own issues.

The Bible teaches quite clearly that salvation is based on man trusting in what Jesus did for him and gives eternal life to those who do trust Him.

1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

I've highlighted the main point of the verse. Do you believe the red words? It seems to me that you don't believe them.

What say you?

No, it doesn't. Those who believe are saved, but as with everything pertaining to salvation, it must be from the Savior, not ourselves.

You forgot to include 1 Cor 1:30:

[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Lol that was directed toward IceDaisy but I'm thinking she has me on ignore🤣

Belief is not "produced". It's not a production. It's trust. Maybe you just don't understand that either.

Whatever. According to you it is our trust then and not faith, and that's what you think important. Regardless, it is imperfect. Christ's faith was/is perfect and therefore, the only faith capable of, qualified to give righteousness to us. It is because of His faith(fulness) that our faith/trust/righteousness can be received as gifts. They cannot be earned by us through our faith. Someone however did have to earn them and that was Christ. He earned them because His faith was as perfect as the righteousness it brings is perfect. If it is to be from or by us, than it would be imperfect and unequal to what we receive. Since Christ earned it, He then was free to impart it along with righteousness, to whomever He chose, which is exactly what He did.

[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

[1Pe 1:19-21 KJV]
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

[Rom 9:30 KJV]
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

The "it" in V3 accounted to HIM was faith . In other words, faith was given to him. Rom 4:9 substantiates this:

[Rom 4:9 KJV]
9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness"

It is of Christ's faith - not a faith of ourselves, because it could not be a righteous faith as v5 states - faith given to us through/by Christ. He is the Savior

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Here's the verse

[Rom 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

"through our Lord Jesus Christ": Christ's faithfulness

ou claimed "Faith is a work" – Post #1,044

Scripture clearly states faith is not a work ... but, hey, you want to claim "faith is a work" that is on you.

we are justified by faith

we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

if the unconditional is continually relating to the " Elect" what is your understanding of unconditional?

IF elect means Only those who God has chosen then you have really made a mistake of Election.

the people of God are elect or known as God's elect. YET He chosen those who were not of those elected did HE not?

Did not salvation come to the gentiles who are NOT or were not the " Elect of God"?
it is one word people are making elite. This is how the Germanys killed the jews, this is how white supremacy has taken root in the protestant churches, the idea of God's elect focused on the flesh, not on the work of the Cross.

Don't take my word for it look at all those posts so far how many have even mentioned Jesus in them? elect, elect, elect, bla bla blah

9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.


19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
The Tares
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Tares Explained
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 15:24 He, answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel.
Notice the weeping and gnashing of teeth. As sad as it is there be people who think they are saved and are not and at harvest reality will set in with such anguish. There are two seeds upon this earth. The Son of mans and the wicked one. By their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says lord will be saved. Only those who know God is real and Believe in their heart.
So yes God has known who His Elect are before the earth was created. As Romans 9 says a vessel for His glory and one for destruction. This is why Paul says," I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.

Ephesians 1:4 (ESV)
4 even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him.

No, it doesn't. Those who believe are saved, but as with everything pertaining to salvation, it must be from the Savior, not ourselves.

You forgot to include 1 Cor 1:30:

[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: