Our new relationship to the law.

@eternally-gratefull,

Here is what I would say to that (while I agree with the basic premise of what is stated above).

Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Tit 2:11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Yes indeed, if we are determined by the law to be sinners (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7), it does indeed show us that we need Christ.

Christ is able to save us from our sins and to redeem us from all iniquity.

He gave us the Holy Spirit.

And through the Holy Spirit, if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

I would encourage my opponents as concerning doctrine to memorize that verse (Romans 8:4).

If they do, I think that they will integrate what it says into their thinking and will not have an argument with me any longer.

Did anyone ever stop to think, that, since in the last days God is going to send a powerful delusion to all those who "believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness", and that is going to be the majority at that time in history;

That those who are not deluded will be in the minority and therefore may even be counted as mentally ill (delusional) by the rest; who in all reality are the ones who are actually deluded?

2Th 2:11, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Thus, it may very well be, that on the day of judgment, that those who were counted as outcasts and insane by society, will be counted as having been sane all along; and those who were counted as sane will be counted as not having been in their right minds.

Jesus turned everything on its head when He spoke the Beattitudes.

Those who truly believe in Christ,, and follow His teachings, are an upside-down people.

It will be found that we were in our right minds all along because we did what it would take in order to have everlasting life in a just society in heaven.

See, You do not know how to listen. This is not the purpose of the law. This is your vein attempt to try to mock me and those like me who have learned the law and been trained by it because we do not buy into your lawyer legalistic jumbo jumbo

You know this is not what we believe, you know we have never said this. What you have just done, is show you are unable to have a conversation.

The law is the schoolmaster TO LEAD US TO CHRIST.

I guess you have not yet found Christ since you keep wanting to push the ministry of death.

Your in denial my friend.

people don;t tube their own horn, then try to excuse it.

Pride is a heavy burden I pray you will be released from it

Yawn.

Precious Charlie24, appreciate the kind and Great Discussion. Where should we
properly begin learning, as God Commands "Do all things decently and in order" (1Co 14:40)?

Should you and I start a new thread, say maybe: "Biblical Examination of the law"?

Always humble and open to learn...

Sure thing, I'm always ready to learn! Law and Grace is one of my favorite subjects.

You start that thread and I'll be sure to join you.

FYI, the moderator does request that we report heresy.

This is not true. This user puts on Ignore anyone who disagrees with him.

@eternally-gratefull,

You keep displaying your inflated self-importance. Why?

What I wrote is the logical conclusion of what you believe in.

I do not advocate that anyone seek to be justified by the law. Salvation / justification / forgiveness comes solely through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.

Once a man is forgiven, he receives the Holy Spirit.

Did you memorize Romans 8:4 yet?

Because it plainly teaches us that if we have the Spirit and walk according to His dictates, promptings, and guidings, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us.

How is that the ministry of death; since it is the ministry of the Holy Spirit?

Does the Holy Spirit minister death?

The fact that you see pride in me when there is none indicates to me that you have the same pride that you see in me.

You have three fingers pointing back at you; you are projecting your own pride onto me.

It is very common for people to see their own sins, magnified, in the lives of others.

If I have pride, I consider it to be a speck in my eye.

It was one of the first prayers that I ever prayed as a new believer that the Lord would produce in me these three virtues: wisdom, humility, and love. And I believe that He has answered this prayer.

For I rarely ever see pride in other people.

If I did, it would indicate that I myself had pride.

For I would be projecting my own pride onto them.

Since I have given biblical support for just about everything I have said, it should be clear that you cannot pin anything that I have said to be heretical; because everything that I preach is according to sound doctrine to the best of my ability as I rely on the Holy Spirit to give me the words to say.

Nope you have not struck a nerve

But you have made people sick over your pride and claiming to know all in the name of God


I personally could care less what you think. but as a child of God. I am warned to correct a brother in love

I continued to post the same thing because you continued to "X" it...as though you wanted those words to fall to the ground.

I posted it again so that it would be evident that the blessing that I spoke of in that post, repeated, will not fall to the ground, even if you want it to.

nope. what you did was slander myself and people like me who do not believe a thing you wrote.

All because it is all you have. You can not counter us with the word and counter our arguments, so you must resort to personal attacks by slandering us.

You also can obtain the promise of 1 John 2:20 by faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).

If you were to obtain it by faith, I would not be accusing you of pride.

I would be rejoicing with you.

Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I have given much scripture to substantiate my statements.

Some of you have expressed disagreement (with "x's") with posts that were nearly 100% scripture.

So, I believe that you have been disagreeing with the holy scriptures rather than me.

Just as the people in Samuel's day were not rejecting Samuel but God.

This post demonstrates your inflated view of yourself and your disparagement of others. You keep assuming that others are spiritually inferior to you. That’s unmitigated c**p. I have never before encountered someone who is simultaneously so wrong on so many levels and who also thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I have concluded that you are delusional, deeply deceived, and dangerous. You need help.

Since it is very likely against the rules for me to say that I think that you are an unbeliever, I am not going to say that at this juncture.

I don't think that everyone else is wrong.

If anyone can substantiate their point of view with holy scripture, of course I will be more inclined to listen to them; and I rarely ever disagree with holy scripture; which is more than can be said about you.