How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Regardless of your judgement, the question is what makes this entire thread possible. It is impossible to imagine it is not a question germane to the matter at hand, when so many people answer the question time and again by insisting the church will suffer the Tribulation.
Ergo, the rational perspective looks at those statements and posits the only natural question that is inferred by those statements that seemingly answer the unsaid, until my post, question. Where in the scripture does it expressly state the church will go through the great tribulation?


Answering that question by implication only to insist the question itself adds nothing to this discussion is irrational.

I assume you're talking about 1Jn2:28, which reads (in part), "so that when HE APPEARS [G5319] we might have boldness and not be ashamed before Him"

... but note what 1 Peter 5:4 says, "And when the chief Shepherd SHALL APPEAR [G5319], ye shall receive a crown / stephanon of glory that fadeth not away"... yet you are always claiming that "the dead in Christ" (who are presently "at home [G1736] with [G4314 (NOT "G4862 UNIONed-with" yet)] the Lord" ALREADY HAVE (as in, ARE WEARING *NOW* [in their "spirits / souls"]) "crowns / stephanos"...

... and you continually say this, just so you can ignore the fact of the ones wearing "crowns" in Rev4:4 (who are also the ones who say, in 5:9--BEFORE the SEALS are opened: when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE"--"hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY...") are already-glorified saints! (i.e. already having been raptured and already having stood before [G3936 ] the BEMA [for rewards])

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Regardless of your judgement, the question is what makes this entire thread possible. It is impossible to imagine it is not a question germane to the matter at hand, when so many people answer the question time and again by insisting the church will suffer the Tribulation.
Ergo, the rational perspective looks at those statements and posits the only natural question that is inferred by those statements that seemingly answer the unsaid, until my post, question. Where in the scripture does it expressly state the church will go through the great tribulation?


Answering that question by implication only to insist the question itself adds nothing to this discussion is irrational.

"Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown."

Just one verse that says "Jesus wil pre-trib rapture you before the Resurrection"

If you can just find one.....................

Yeah, and Paul said it "IS LAID UP [PRESENT INDICATIVE]" for him... and that he will be awarded it "IN THAT DAY" (not the day he DIES and will be "at home" with the Lord in his "spirit / soul" but "absent from the body," see...), 2Tim4:8.


Are you suggesting that "the dead in Christ" (done living their lives on this earth [and the "work" as well], and now present with the Lord) can have THEIR "crowns" taken by someone (NOW)?? That's a rather wacky idea (not to mention, not biblically accurate).

Anyway, re-read my other post that tells "WHEN" (re: crowns)... it's not when a believer DIES that they [supposedly, immediately] receive them... and presently, while they still live on the earth, have them "LAID UP" (not presently WEARING them, as Rev4:4 shows ppl to be WEARING them UP IN HEAVEN... BEFORE the SEALS are opened when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE").

As someone who grew up in what was basically a "Pre-Tribulation cult" only to denounce & refute that eschatology as an adult, I can tell you from personal experience that you are going to have a very hard time trying to convince others to break free from the religious traditions & pet doctrines. Especially one that has been so manipulative & lucrative.

for the lie of pre-trib

As someone who grew up in what was basically a "Pre-Tribulation cult" only to denounce & refute that eschatology as an adult, I can tell you from personal experience that you are going to have a very hard time trying to convince others to break free from the religious traditions & pet doctrines. Especially one that has been so manipulative & lucrative.

provides no incentive to be conformed to the fullness of the stature that is Christ.

^ "and every one who is having this hope on him, doth purify himself, even as he is pure." - 1Jn3:3

You've not yet proven the "pre-trib rapture" to be a "lie".

The Hour represents "the temptation that shall come upon the whole world".

Do you know what the temptation is?

Your carnal exegesis is not approved by the Holy Spirit - i urge you to repent from believing a lie for carnal pleasure.

For there will be a time when they will not endure sound teaching, but according to the own desires, having an itching ear, they will gather around them teachers to suit themselves,

You've not yet proven the "pre-trib rapture" to be a "lie".

[adding to my Post #2531]

... which is speaking of this:

"Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is." verse 2

Don't quit your day job for a while longer to become a comic. LOL

Don't expect a response....look back they have avoid responding many posts ago.

It has been demolished for many months now and right from the very beginning.

Here are just TWELVE for you

1.) Matthew 24:29-31 , Matthew 25:1-13
2.) 1 Thessalonians 1:10
3.) 1 Thess 3:1-5
4.) 1 Thess 4:13-18
5.) 2 Thess 2:1-3
6.) 1 Timothy 4:1
7.) 1 John 2:15-19
8.) 1 Corinthians ch15
9.) James ch 5
10.) Revelation chapters 1 - 20
11.) Not one person has brought forth a single scripture that says: Christ will pre-trib rapture His Elect before the Resurrection.
12.) pre-trib rapture never came out of the Mouth of God

Without a doubt concern that those in opposition will ever understand His instructions for eternal salvation.