Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

Again you missed the whole point of that passage
The author did nto say you have ceased fro your work on the seventh day then start working again. He said he has ceased from his work. God ceased from his work. His creation was complete. Nothing else needed to be done.

God didn't rest every 7th day.

He rested just the once. He was still resting on day 8 and 9. And 14.

So you need to figure out "as God did from His" because a literal repeating saturday rest isn't it. It seems like it is right to the person who thinks he is obeying the 10 commandments. For we know the Law is spiritual... Romans 7:14

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


What exactly is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives? Only for saturdays?

Did the person Jesus spoke to keep the commandments?

If he did, He did not need Christ.

There are two choices

1. Obey the law (requires perfection. Not one sin)
2. Faith in God

Abraham and others chose faith in God. Even David said sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire. He understood the law was good and perfect. But could not save him

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

How can it be the duty of Christians to work at the 10 commandments when we are told NOT to be entangled AGAIN with the yoke of bondage?


You understand that you contradict scripture with your philosophy? You think Christianity is just Judaism-lite? Work at commandments minus animal sacrifice and feasts?

1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Anything that does not come from faith is sin. To follow OT law in contradiction to one's faith is sinful.

"[E]verything that does not come from faith is sin" - Romans 14:23b NIV

That "Law of Liberty" sounds a bit like the Ten Commandments, don't it?

Anything that does not come from faith is sin. To follow OT law in contradiction to one's faith is sinful.

"[E]verything that does not come from faith is sin" - Romans 14:23b NIV

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God (Christians) to keep the Sabbath (Fourth of the Ten Commandments). For he (the Christian) that has entered into His (Jesus') rest, he (the Christian) hath ceased from his own works (physical labor) as God did from His (physical labor of Creation)."

Surely you don't have anything against the "reasonable service" of Christian duty?

Sorry, I missed the question. The Bible does teach the grace-saved, blood-washed, born-again, child of God can throw away the gift of eternal life by ceasing to "abide in the Vine" and instead start down a non-capitulating path of "Not Thy will, but MY will be done".

All throughout the passage of Hebrews 4, the word "rest" is the Greek "kataposis", but when we get to verse 9, do you know what it is? "SABBATISMOS" We cannot escape it, no matter how unwelcome a truth it is.

That's why Lamsa translated the verse correctly, "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to KEEP THE SABBATH (of the Ten Commandments) and the kind of rest that is our duty is "literal" rest -- because verse 10 says we're to rest in the exact same manner God rested on the seventh day, which had nothing to do with "resting from trying to earn salvation". His rest was literal rest from literal labor.

What does God's itinerary have to do with us? I don't care if heavenly Sabbath is filled with the noise of framing guns and compound miter saws cutting 2X4s for our mansions - He commands US to rest on Sabbath.

Yes, Paul had to tell the Galatians to take off that "yoke of bondage" of trying earn salvation by works. Know what Paul tells saved people to do after we get saved?
How dare he put us under that "yoke of bondage", right?

This topic comes up from time to time. The OT laws can apply, but they don't necessarily apply to every Christian. Paul covers this topic in some depth.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" - Col 2:14 KJV

It's not a case of the jots and tittles just disappearing, they are just covered by an equivalency as is a prevalent theme even in the OT. That said, some OT commandments are reiterated in some form in the new covenant. Even those individuals that state that the OT laws don't apply aren't say that the ten Mosaic laws don't apply because they too each reappear in some form in the NT.

More often than not, I've found that people that perceive the OT laws to be mandatory have spent more time reading the OT rather than thoroughly reading the NT.

Does physical circumcision apply as a rule? Do the dietary laws apply as a rule? Do the uncleanliness rules in the OT apply? The NT covers these topics with a clear answer: "No, not as they appear in the OT"

I've seen funny responses to the circumcision commandments, "that's covered by a spiritual circumcision now instead of a physical one" to try to address Paul stating that circumcision doesn't matter. The irony is that this is an example of equivalency, and another type of equivalency is that Christ fulfils the law.

I also haven't seen great examples of rules that people thought should apply universally from the OT that didn't also appear in the NT.

I'm convinced that the proposition "OT laws necessarily apply to all Christians" is not an internally consistent position. I would happily be proven wrong but I don't see how the perceived inconsistencies could possibly be addressed.

Yet the author says we have ceased fro our work. Yet your demanding he says we continue our work (at the law}
can you explain how this makes sense?

Again, The author did not tell us to take a BREAK from our work (a 7th day rest period before we start up again) he say they HAVE CEASED from their work.

The 7th day sabbath is a DAY of rest.

then there is resting from the work (of the law)

Hebrews is speaking of rest from the law Not temporary rest for everyday work.

I agree. What I believe is, we should follow the OT commandments that the New Testament says apply to us. For example, of the 10 commandments, all of them are listed except for the Sabbath. That leads me to believe they are still binding in the New Covenant. (Romans 13:9 etc)

In other words: Should we steal today? Is stealing permissable for a Christian? No. Because the New Testament forbids it. Should we eat a kangaroo steak today? Not necessarily, but it is NOT forbidden to do so in the New Covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

If you had the capability of following OT commandments then the Lord Jesus wouldn't have had to sacrifice Himself on the Cross.

He could have just sent another prophet to tell the people to repent and follow the commandments.


2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?



Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

How can you be dead to the law if you are cherry picking what you think you should follow in the law and what you shouldn't? That's exactly what the Pharisees did.



Conversely you are not dead to the law and alive to God if you are stealing, murdering, worshipping idols, etc...

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

That's hard to do, isn't it?

Anything that does not come from faith is sin. To follow OT law in contradiction to one's faith is sinful.

"[E]verything that does not come from faith is sin" - Romans 14:23b NIV

I agree. What I believe is, we should follow the OT commandments that the New Testament says apply to us. For example, of the 10 commandments, all of them are listed except for the Sabbath. That leads me to believe they are still binding in the New Covenant. (Romans 13:9 etc)

If you comprehend the OT law correctly it will not be against your faith. I believe in not stealing and killing. By faith i delight to keep the Ten commandments. It is presumption to believe the royal law was made void. Stealing and adultery and killing and lying are all OT laws so are they a contradiction to your faith to follow them?